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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    He is taking about Watts, continues to say we don't want to go back... blacks or Mexicans... and says we need to fix government... then he talks about what he obviously knows and has seen in north Vegas...

    It is what he has seen, and he reflects upon the damage government has done.

    That isn't racist, it's coming from 1st hand experience...

    That is why copying, pasting and bolding the text is important. It doesn't get sliced and diced to pervert what he says as the NYT and many Libs here have done.
    OK then here it is:

    Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

    And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
    Now explain why if that applies to all on welfare he chose to make it about negroes.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    As you are the one who was destroyed, they are more than appropriate to laugh at your further and repeated denials.


    There you go again with your ridiculously false claim of denial and illogically using it to deflect.
    No one is denying that at times whites may be the majority receiving certain benefits.
    It has been acknowledged and stated that whites should make up a greater number.
    Yet you repeatedly ignoring that in favor of your ridiculous position. D'oh!
    And frankly, whether or not you think factual information is disparaging, matters not.
    It is factual.
    Trying to dismiss factual information is ridiculous.

    The breakdown of those numbers is what matters.


    And that doesn't hold true for tanf benefits, but you wont let that stop your absurd claims.


    And as the information already provided shows that blacks receive "over all welfare" in greater numbers.
    As previously provided by two others, apparently on opposite sides of the coin.
    Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain
    Which gives us the following numbers.

    Welfare Demographics
    Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
    Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %




    So you have nothing but snap benefits to refer to.
    And then blacks receive them in far greater numbers by population than white do by their respective population.
    That breakdown of numbers is what matters.

    As it was calculated, those numbers for the respective black population show that roughly 26% of the black population receive benefits.
    While roughly only 7% of whites do.

    Do you really not understand that?
    Those are the facts.
    Deal with them.



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    Not by respective population. Which is what matters. And not by the over-all numbers provided from the others.
    Excerpts of your other posts;

    A larger percentage of the black population is on welfare when compared to the percentage of white population on welfare.
    That is honest. And you don't like it.
    Too bad, your dislike of facts is meaningless.
    And as the information already provided shows that blacks receive "over all welfare" in greater numbers.
    And then blacks receive them in far greater numbers by population than white do by their respective population.
    Thanks for providing the updated information showing that by respective population, blacks make up a disproportionately higher number on welfare than whites.
    Total population of the US of A 317 Million

    There are 223,550,265 Whites
    There are 44,456,009 Blacks
    If 38.9% of whites are on welfare, that means there are 87,184,603 white welfare recipients. 38.9% was rounded off to 39%.

    If 39.9% of blacks are on welfare, that means there are 26,673,605 black welfare recipients. 39.8% was rounded off to 40%.


    This means that there are 60,510,990 more whites on welfare, than blacks. Forget the percentages, think of it as numbers of individuals, the population.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    By Bundy's words in context.
    I apparently heard something different in bundy's words than you did.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK then here it is:



    Now explain why if that applies to all on welfare he chose to make it about negroes.
    You did not use the full quote, and that full quote sets up what follows. What is so difficult about using the full quote?

    Won't respond until it is there in full.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosby View Post
    You need more diversity in your avatar.
    I and the guy beside me are Scottish by descent but the guy in the background is from a German family. At that time, in that place, that counted as diversity.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Why not copy, paste and bold his racist comments? There is the full quote below.

    The quote is not racist... so hop to it... prove your point in the simplest way possible... point out the very phrases he spouts that are racist.

    Frankly, it is folks who criticize people who are not racist as being racist, and sick pricks like the NYT who quote him out of context that are on par with racists. It is an equally sick segment of society.
    If you consider the *sshole who said this,

    "And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

    ... to not be racist, then we're speaking different languages. That, or you're just jerking my chain. Either way I'm done witcha.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You hate what you believe he is. The problem with that is that he isn't what you believe.

    His words were not racist and he is not a racist.
    They were of concern. They were not disparaging, or of hatred, or of intolerance. And nowhere did he say his race was better.
    Nothing he said is racist or racism.
    Absolutely nothing.

    On the other hand, your words clearly fit the definition.
    Like I said to the 'Zimmer' entity, if you say the jerk who said this...

    "And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

    ... and meant it isn't a racist then we're speaking different languages.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    If you consider the *sshole who said this,

    "And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

    ... to not be racist, then we're speaking different languages. That, or you're just jerking my chain. Either way I'm done witcha.
    Post the full quote and bold the text... or do you have a problem with having everything in context?
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Like I said to the 'Zimmer' entity, if you say the jerk who said this...

    "And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

    ... and meant it isn't a racist then we're speaking different languages.
    I personally think that Bundy had no racist intent behind that statement.

    But it was racist anyway.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Read the context again, God my 4 year old nephew even understood it.

    It isn't the System's fault the person is on welfare. That is personal responsibility. However, just because it isn't the System's Fault, doesn't mean the system is without faults. You are claiming I said something which I didn't.

    Again, I didn't say the system had no faults, I said it wasn't the system's fault the person is on welfare.
    Ok, so since we've thrown civility out the window...you'd have to be an idiot to claim it needs reform but has no fault.

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