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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You tried to pivot but broke your ankle in the process. This is so ridiculously simple it really doesn't warrant an answer, but... here we go...

    Conservatives are for personal responsibility, but you seem to want to ignore the obvious, that government is responsible for fomenting the ill. Welfare reform illustrated this fact, and Clinton eagerly took credit for it 10-years after its implementation.

    Hell... even Leftist Brookings admits the evils created by government intrusion.

    Government added massively to the problem. They bred it.
    Sorry Con, the ankle broke is yours.

    You blame the system and not the person. You lack personal responsibility because it doesn't suit your agenda.

    Pathetic attempt at that. But that is what I am used to with rabid Cons that hate anything unless it has an "R" in front of the name.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

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    Sorry Con, the ankle broke is yours.

    You blame the system and not the person. You lack personal responsibility because it doesn't suit your agenda.

    Pathetic attempt at that. But that is what I am used to with rabid Cons that hate anything unless it has an "R" in front of the name.
    You play ignorant and accuse a man who points out the obvious of racism. You ignore what Lib think-tanks report.You ignore Clinton's celebration.

    Pathetic is your type. Government foments and enables such destruction. Of course folks like you are unwilling to accept the destruction because it destroys the perverse ideology you support.

    You're fundamentally dishonest.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You play ignorant and accuse a man who points out the obvious of racism. You ignore what Lib think-tanks report.You ignore Clinton's celebration.

    Pathetic is your type. Government foments and enables such destruction. Of course folks like you are unwilling to accept the destruction because it destroys the perverse ideology you support.

    You're fundamentally dishonest.
    More mantrums from a con when he can't refute the fact that the person is at fault for staying on welfare.

    Go whine and cry elsewhere con, you bore me now cause you can't refute what I said.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

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    More mantrums from a con when he can't refute the fact that the person is at fault for staying on welfare.

    Go whine and cry elsewhere con, you bore me now cause you can't refute what I said.
    Even Clinton and Brookings admitted to the negative effects welfare had on society.

    The ignorance and denial is all yours.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

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    Even Clinton and Brookings admitted to the negative effects welfare had on society.

    The ignorance and denial is all yours.
    Yet again, saying that it is a person's fault that they are on welfare for years is not saying the welfare system doesn't have it's faults.

    Your dishonesty and ignorance shows again Con. Your mantrums are getting hilarious.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You play ignorant and accuse a man who points out the obvious of racism. You ignore what Lib think-tanks report.You ignore Clinton's celebration.

    Pathetic is your type. Government foments and enables such destruction. Of course folks like you are unwilling to accept the destruction because it destroys the perverse ideology you support.

    You're fundamentally dishonest.
    You twist the objections made to statements that were specifically made about blacks into an attempt to defend gov't dependency on "safety net" programs. Take off the blinders and, even you, can see that what Cliven Bundy said was not a uniform condemnation of welfare and its affect on all Americans and their families - it was specifically presented as a racial (racist?) issue implying that it affects blacks differently.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yet again, saying that it is a person's fault that they are on welfare for years is not saying the welfare system doesn't have it's faults.

    Your dishonesty and ignorance shows again Con. Your mantrums are getting hilarious.
    You're right...The welfare system allows it...By who's design is that?
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Even Clinton and Brookings admitted to the negative effects welfare had on society.

    The ignorance and denial is all yours.
    That (bolded above) is true, yet they did not say on only, or even mostly, blacks in society. That is the entire point of contention - Cliven Bundy sees a racial component to welfare that simply does not exist.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're right...The welfare system allows it...By who's design is that?
    There isn't just ONE person or ONE side's design. Its the combined fault and mismanagement by our reps (both Dem and GOP) for letting the situation decline.

    Welfare needs reform, yet the right is more concerned about abortion and keeping gays from marrying, while the left is more concerned about SSM being legal and gun laws than welfare reform.

    Then you have the very large chunk of people in the U.S. that don't give a **** about ANYTHING as long as "Dancing with the Stars" is on and they can watch their porn on the internet.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That (bolded above) is true, yet they did not say on only, or even mostly, blacks in society. That is the entire point of contention - Cliven Bundy sees a racial component to welfare that simply does not exist.
    He is taking about Watts, continues to say we don't want to go back... blacks or Mexicans... and says we need to fix government... then he talks about what he obviously knows and has seen in north Vegas...

    It is what he has seen, and he reflects upon the damage government has done.

    That isn't racist, it's coming from 1st hand experience...

    That is why copying, pasting and bolding the text is important. It doesn't get sliced and diced to pervert what he says as the NYT and many Libs here have done.

    ... and so what I've testified to you -- I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

    We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Let me tell, talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro. When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids -- and there's always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

    And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

    You know they didn’t get more freedom, they got less freedom -- they got less family life, and their happiness -- you could see it in their faces -- they wasn't happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips -- so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know, I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people -- and I’ve worked side by side a lot of them.

    Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structures than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people. And we need to have those people join us and be with us not, not come to our party.
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