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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Obviously you can't and are blinded by your own convoluted racist thoughts.
    That must be it.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You fail to understand the point... but with your 3 minutes here that isn't surprising.

    Bundy was pointing out government intervention has resulted in another form of enslavement... he did say something about not wanting to go back... did he not? He did show praise and respect for Mexicans... did he not?

    I don't know, but I think it might be time to start a Biggus Thickus list and create an annual award for those who simply fail to or choose not to see the obvious as they are blinded by ideology or are too intellectually dishonest to admit they were wrong.
    Seriously?
    Cliven Bundy is a vile, poisonous racist bastard. He's one of the group of humans who needs to be silenced, shunned, ostracised and completely forgotten after he dies. He and all like him, and all who support and/or agree with him, are the worst examples of humanity's most abysmal failure.
    Is that clear enough for you?
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That must be it.
    Of course it is.
    As the numbers are independent of any reason you think they are what they are.
    And especially as those numbers were used to reveal the truth in reply to the false claim of another.

    Now, like I said, if you want to start a topic on what you think the sociological context is, be my guest. It is irrelevant to their use here in reply to another.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, here ya go:
    Read the context again, God my 4 year old nephew even understood it.

    It isn't the System's fault the person is on welfare. That is personal responsibility. However, just because it isn't the System's Fault, doesn't mean the system is without faults. You are claiming I said something which I didn't.

    Again, I didn't say the system had no faults, I said it wasn't the system's fault the person is on welfare.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Seriously?
    Cliven Bundy is a vile, poisonous racist bastard. He's one of the group of humans who needs to be silenced, shunned, ostracised and completely forgotten after he dies. He and all like him, and all who support and/or agree with him, are the worst examples of humanity's most abysmal failure.
    Is that clear enough for you?
    So you did fail to understand, as you couldn't be more wrong.
    His words were of concern. Not hatred, not disparaging, and not of intolerance.
    They are nothing like your words which are disparaging, full of hatred and intolerance.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes don't believe the black republican whom they were thrown at....Cuz, we all know that he was not telling the truth right?
    Uhhhh.....no? I'm saying you should probably read the full text, since it is a link you, yourself provided, and it is saying something completely different from what you are saying.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So you did fail to understand, as you are obviously wrong.
    His words were of concern. Not hatred, not disparaging, and not of intolerance.
    They are nothing like your words which are disparaging, full of hatred and intolerance.
    'Disparaging, full of hatred, intolerance', all that stuff. Glad I got my meaning through. I do disparage his position, I hate his kind and I won't tolerate him when I have the option.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    'Disparaging, full of hatred, intolerance', all that stuff. Glad I got my meaning through. I do disparage his position, I hate his kind and I won't tolerate him when I have the option.
    You hate what you believe he is. The problem with that is that he isn't what you believe.

    His words were not racist and he is not a racist.
    They were of concern. They were not disparaging, or of hatred, or of intolerance. And nowhere did he say his race was better.
    Nothing he said is racist or racism.
    Absolutely nothing.

    On the other hand, your words clearly fit the definition.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So you did fail to understand, as you couldn't be more wrong.
    His words were of concern. Not hatred, not disparaging, and not of intolerance.
    They are nothing like your words which are disparaging, full of hatred and intolerance.
    Really, Excon? You honestly believe Cliven Bundy's words about Negros (Blacks) were truly out of concern for us? Let's re-examine what he said:

    “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” Bundy said during one of his daily press conferences. “[B]ecause they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do? They abort their young children; they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”
    If he were truly concerned, why choose slavery as a way we, Black people, can improve our upward mobility? Why not just say "...are they better off working minimum wage jobs..." or take the Newt Gingrinch approach of janitorial work instead? Hell, I'd even accept him having said "sharecropper" over "slaves". At least then I could buy into the idea that somehow Blacks stood a marginal chance of having something for themselves. But as slaves? Really? You really want (Black) people to believe he spoke out of genuine concern?

    Really?
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Really, Excon? You honestly believe Cliven Bundy's words about Negros (Blacks) were truly out of concern for us? Let's re-examine what he said:



    If he were truly concerned, why choose slavery as a way we, Black people, can improve our upward mobility? Why not just say "...are they better off working minimum wage jobs..." or take the Newt Gingrinch approach of janitorial work instead? Hell, I'd even accept him having said "sharecropper" over "slaves". At least then I could buy into the idea that somehow Blacks stood a marginal chance of having something for themselves. But as slaves? Really? You really want (Black) people to believe he spoke out of genuine concern?

    Really?
    Yes really.
    Just because one is not able to express their thoughts clearly and the words antiquated, does not mean they are a racist.
    He was speaking of work ethic, that as a result of welfare, wasn't taught.
    His words, in context, show he was speaking of concern.


    …” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

    We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Those are not the words of a racist.
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