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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

OldWorldOrder said:
Um...I guess worse, then? Is that what you wanted to hear?

The guy seems like a step above Forrest Gump, it's kinda sad.
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Its tragic then that this administration has been so badly ****ed over by Forrest Gump. Speaks volumes...and kinda the point from the get-go.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
They are more rational then the farmer and his militia.
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Well played...

 
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polgara said:
With the cost of beef, I question why they buried the cows they shot instead of donating the meat to the food bank! I doubt they had a vet on hand to determine overall health, so who decided what cattle to shoot, and why! What a waste! I read that Texas is currently attempting to thin the herds of wild hogs - thousands of them are slated to be killed - but they are giving the meat to the local food banks. Too bad our government didn't have the same foresight! :2mad:

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:
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It is open season on feral hogs in Texas. you can take a rifle just about anywhere you want, and get yourself enough meat to feed your family for an entire year. Want to know what else is good? This meat hasn't been treated with growth hormones, steroids, antibiotics, or any other chemicals.

Moral of the story - Guys who shoot their own food don't grow boobs. LOL.
 
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apdst said:
No, the clowns should have placed a lien on his ranch and collected the money on installments, instead of spending 2 million dollars to not collect 1 million dollars and prove to the world that our government is operated by ****ing idiots. Now, their THREE million dollars in the hole.
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And didn't I read that they admitted that the amount he owed was a little under $200,000 - and not the million $ they originally reported? Brilliant move all around! Hey, it's only our hard earned tax dollars being spent by DC, and they think money grows on trees, shrubbery, and berry bushes throughout the country, so what's the problem! :2mad:
 
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danarhea said:
It is open season on feral hogs in Texas. you can take a rifle just about anywhere you want, and get yourself enough meat to feed your family for an entire year. Want to know what else is good? This meat hasn't been treated with growth hormones, steroids, antibiotics, or any other chemicals.

Moral of the story - Guys who shoot their own food don't grow boobs. LOL.
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:lamo: And they eat pretty well, too, especially at barbeque time! Yum! *win-win* :thumbs:

Greetings, danarhea! :2wave:
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

VanceMack said:
Its tragic then that this administration has been so badly ****ed over by Forrest Gump. Speaks volumes...and kinda the point from the get-go.
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Ummm...Okay?
 
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mak2 said:
Who else does the left defend when they don't pay their cattle grazing fees?
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No,the Left just mostly defend tax cheats like Tim Geithner.
 
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Black Bundy Bodyguard: He's Not A Racist; "I'd Take A Bullet For That Man" | Video | RealClearPolitics

Personally, I think that while maybe it may not have been the most eloquent way of expressing himself, Bundy is being honest about race in America. There's a lot of feigned outrage over this. Of course, the media's job is to manufacture content so as to cast him as the most evil SOB to walk the planet, I mean, my god? He defied Big Brother!!
 
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Peter King said:
No, he talked about slavery and picking cotton and not about not learning how to work. What does he know about honest work anyway? He steals from the government and then has a terrorist armed mob who want to stand women in front of them as cannon fodder in the enemy line.
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Perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly then.

It seemed to make sense in context.

Edit: See, from my perspective I see Bundy as an inarticulate fool who might be a racist (I'm not sure about the last because it might just be his foolish choice of words rather than racism).

That's what I got from listening to the audio and reading a transcript someone posted earlier.

Perhaps I'm giving him too much benefit of doubt.
 
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rcart76 said:
Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments,



What the hell is he talking about? We had a better family life as slaves !!!!! Most of our family members were separated and sold to other plantations. And you guys on the right support this clown !!!
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Who sold them first? Oh, yea. Other africans. Not saying it was right or it was not a blemish on our nation, 150 some years ago. Context seems to escape you.
 
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VanceMack said:
Since posting on this topic I have CONSISTENTLY said I thought Bundy is a douchebag. My problem is and always has been the completely inept manner in which they decided it was time to do something, that they spent more in collecting the debt than they could possibly have collected, that THIS was the best solution they could come up with, and at the end of the day...they got punked.
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The debt is up to a million dollars, its not exactly much to the entire Federal government but its not exactly chump change either for a single fairly unweathly person to ring up either. Also a lot of law involves costs which would outweigh the benefit, and sometimes thats a good point, however the extra cost in this case was brought about due to the "Patriot movement" guys showing up. Now its more than a issue of unpaid fees its an issue of whether or not it will become acceptable to use the threat of force, the use of human shields, and the like to avoid paying one's dues to the government for breaking the law. I mean its hard to put a monetary value on the damage that would be done if we simply let these people get away with this, its practically armed rebellion at this point.

Now I don't know exactly why the local Sheriff, who by the way is a city not a Federal employee or even a state employee but who happened to be working with the Feds, decided it was too risky to continue holding this cattle but whats clear is that he thought that the risk was too great that it compelled law enforcement to retreat. If you as a criminal become enough of a threat that you can compel law enforcement to retreat, where you can match them force-to-force I think it almost always for the sake of the rule of law that you be brought down one way or another.

Shoot what if this was a gang that had taken over several city blocks and managed to somehow amass enough firepower and manpower to compel the police to retreat? Would you be ok if the police just left them there as is?
 
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VanceMack said:
No. For the hundredth time, I would have preferred they chose a better solution. As it is, you people stand behind a stupid decision to send in an army of federal agents at a cost FAR greater than ANYTHING they ould have collected, only to have those agent get turned out like bitches. I think its embarrassing as hell that so any people truly believe their best and really ONLY option was to do what they did and they FAILED even at that. This administration is so completely inept they cant handle a DEBT collection...and you think word leaders aren't laughing their asses off?
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And of course you have something to back up those numbers?
The problem with people like you is there is no gray areas. Everything is black and white. An intelligent person with the ability to see all sides would consider that the Federal agents took the high road by not forcing a gun fight with a bunch of wanna be Rambos. Why are you defending such a welfare queen like bundy?
 
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polgara said:
:lamo: And they eat pretty well, too, especially at barbeque time! Yum! *win-win* :thumbs:

Greetings, danarhea! :2wave:
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On my way out the door in about 15 minutes to head to Willis, TX, where I will be playing a private party at Blueberry Hill Ranch. There will be LOTS of barbecue there. :)
 
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He, like every American is free to voice his opinion. Don't like it then leave the country. If there is anyone out there that believe blacks trust whites despite all the white BS rhetoric about brotherhood and being color blind then you are simply lost and pathetic.
 
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danarhea said:
On my way out the door in about 15 minutes to head to Willis, TX, where I will be playing a private party at Blueberry Hill Ranch. There will be LOTS of barbecue there. :)
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Darn you anyway! :thumbs: And here I am, stuck in NE Ohio, where BBQ's won't be held for two more months! It's just not fair, I tell you! We just can't seem to convince Old Man Winter to knock it off already with the snow and cold! :mrgreen: Have fun tonight, and wave hi to my family in Friendswood on your way to Willis!
 
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rhinefire said:
What does any of this have to do with the filthy feds showing up to kill him and his supporters? His views on race are in no way connected to the federal pigs coming to kill him and us if we "disobey". Piss on Obama and his cronies. He has a right to express an opinion all you lefty scum and today like in Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany, if the opinion does not chime in with the government and the media one is chastised as un-American. I defend to death his right to his opinion.
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Um, they want to arrest him in due process, please point out to me where one of the BLM's stated goals is to kill bundy. Get real man.
 
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rhinefire said:
What does any of this have to do with the filthy feds showing up to kill him and his supporters? His views on race are in no way connected to the federal pigs coming to kill him and us if we "disobey". Piss on Obama and his cronies. He has a right to express an opinion all you lefty scum and today like in Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany, if the opinion does not chime in with the government and the media one is chastised as un-American. I defend to death his right to his opinion.
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Rejecting the existence of the Federal government is un-American. Literally anti-American. And nobody here is suggesting he has no right to say what he said. You are confusing criticism of speech with suppression of speech. I defend to death his right to his opinion too, and I hope you'd defend to the death my right to call him a racist, anti-American criminal mooching off the public dime and feeling himself to be above the law.

If Cliven Bundy's posse had been in an armed standoff with Federal agents, who were just trying to enforce the law, while wearing turbans instead of cowboy hats you'd be demanding a goddamned airstrike.

Feds showing up to kill him? No, they pretty well established they were willing to go to great lengths to keep the moron alive.
 
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Peter King said:
I did not say anything about that bodyguard. But again, having a black bodyguard does not mean one cannot have a racist attitude and the words of Mr. Bundy at least point to a racist and offensive attitude. And of course of being a moron, anyone who honestly questions if people were better off as slaves needs to have his head examined because IMHO anyone who actually thinks that is insane. And disagreeing with someone is not freaking out.
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IOW, you're saying that stupid negro needs a white boy from Holland to tell him what racism really is?
 
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zimmer said:
You see... I expected this type of response. I'll wait and see if your cohorts behave in the same dimwitted manner.

You are given the entire quote IN CONTEXT, and you fail to be outraged about being played like a dumb cat by the propagandists at the NYT.

So for you, having the full weight of the NYT to falsely paint somoene as a racist in an attempt to destroy them... doesn't bother you?
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I read the whole thing interview, all because he comes from a well meaning place doesn't change the fact that he is a racist. He mentions some black people he observed in Las Vegas and assumed they were representative of a whole race. Being well meaning doesn't alter stupidity, or racism.
 
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beefheart said:
What was unlawful about it? Show your work.
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Show me where the BLM has the authority to collect a simple debt by use of deadly force. Thaaaaanks!
 
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VanceMack said:
And yet he managed to turn the administration out like a bitch. So...what does that say about them?
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BMCM said:
Would you have preferred an all out gun fight?
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That's the problem with government action in a situation like this: damned if you do anything even if you're acting within the law; damned if you don't do anything that could escalate the situation and cause unnecessary harm to the public-at-large.

So, if the BLM w/armed escorts had opened fire against the militia groups that support Bundy, they'd somehow be seen as being in the wrong even if a militia group or any other civilian had fired the first shot. And when the government backs off for the sake of public safety, suddenly they got played and became "Bundy's Bitch".

You can't win for losing. And it's been Bundy who's been in the wrong from the very beginning, and yet "it's the gubment's fault things got so out of hand". But as I stated previously, had this been private land and the landowner had confiscated Bundy's cattle at gun point for an unpaid bill, folks would be cheering for the private land owner. But since it's the gubment led by the Obama Administration doing it...

Nuff said. :roll:
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
They are more rational then the farmer and his militia.
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How is it rational to spend 2 milloon dollars to collect 1 million dollars, then get bitch slapped by people whom you constantly insist are racially inferior?
 
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Objective Voice said:
That's the problem with government action in a situation like this: damned if you do anything even if you're acting within the law; damned if you don't do anything that could escalate the situation and cause unnecessary harm to the public-at-large.

So, if the BLM w/armed escorts had opened fire against the militia groups that support Bundy, they'd somehow be seen as being in the wrong even if a militia group or any other civilian had fired the first shot. And when the government backs off for the sake of public safety, suddenly they got played and became "Bundy's Bitch".

You can't win for losing. And it's been Bundy who's been in the wrong from the very beginning, and yet "it's the gubment's fault things got so out of hand". But as I stated previously, had this been private land and the landowner had confiscated Bundy's cattle at gun point for an unpaid bill, folks would be cheering for the private land owner. But since it's the gubment led by the Obama Administration doing it...

Nuff said. :roll:
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And seriously, if Cliven Bundy's posse had "driven off" Federal agents who were enforcing the law, but had been wearing turbans instead of cowboy hats, the right wing would literally be demanding an airstrike.
 
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apdst said:
IOW, you're saying that stupid negro needs a white boy from Holland to tell him what racism really is?
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Questioning whether or not blacks were better off under slavery points to a racist attitude similar to the argument used by slaveholders that slaves were cared for and treated well, as opposed to the poor in Europe.

There is nothing worse than slavery - especially the slavery which existed throughout the United States. Believing that blacks were better off under the institution of slavery is believing that blacks were better off being treated as subhuman, which is entirely racist.
 
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