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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No doubt. But the VA system IS government run health care....Our future looks bright doesn't it?
    This article isn't a commentary on the VA healthcare system in it's entirely.

    It deals with the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care system, and the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care system only.

    More specifically, since hospital care is at issue, it deals specifically with the Carl T. Hayden Veterans Affairs Medical Center - the only hospital in the Phoenix system.

    You (not just you - pretty much every "you" weighing in on this topic) are extrapolating a local issue out to be a national problem - and it isn't.

    For the most part, and for the overwhelming majority of veterans, the VA system provides awesome care.

    What you're doing is tantamount to reading an article about a single private hospital, that's part of a larger private hospital network, being sued for malpractice and jumping to the conclusion that "this is what you get when you opt for private healthcare".

    And make no mistake, private hospitals are sued for malpractice every single day.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I can't. I make too much money and have insurance. I often wonder if that too is not a mistake. Why not take us all and the money and build better facilities with the income.
    Has this changed recently? Because about 10 years ago, maybe longer, the VA opened up to any vet that served. You could go to the VA even if you had a cold. Now they do have a priority list, but the wait is ridiculously long. It takes upwards of 3 months to get an appointment with just a clinic. The clinics are the same as the VA hospitals - anybody can be seen in them.

    Hubs used to drive for the DAV, and he knew a retired New York State Police commander that had his own insurance, drove a Benz, and went to the VA, because he served 6 months in the military. THAT is what's wrong with the VA.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    There's no money for any of that. It's easy enough to make glib pronouncements about what they should have done without any acknowledgement of what was possible.

    Go up the chain all the way to Congress. Congress is immune. Your federal government is sovereign and can't be held accountable except at the ballot box where none of this will matter.

    People are suffering on health care waiting lists all over the world. It's a bit silly to get worked up about it at this juncture, after we ourselves have bought into a health care system like that and have subjected veterans to such a health care system for 100 years.

    Give it a few years and we'll all be stewing in our own juices. None of this fooforall is going to make any difference.
    So if someone is dying in front of you, and you can save them. Its OK to not save them if they are broke?

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list

    Had I got in the system pre 1997 I could have stayed. I know druing the time period I was in 80-84 you only had to have served 120 to be eligible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Has this changed recently? Because about 10 years ago, maybe longer, the VA opened up to any vet that served. You could go to the VA even if you had a cold. Now they do have a priority list, but the wait is ridiculously long. It takes upwards of 3 months to get an appointment with just a clinic. The clinics are the same as the VA hospitals - anybody can be seen in them.

    Hubs used to drive for the DAV, and he knew a retired New York State Police commander that had his own insurance, drove a Benz, and went to the VA, because he served 6 months in the military. THAT is what's wrong with the VA.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From CNN:



    A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list - CNN.com

    IMO, this is an outrageous and unconscionable crime. The management of this system and al others who participated in the scheme should be held accountable for the 40 deaths. Any managers who are members of the Military, should be dishonorably discharged in addition to being held criminally responsible. No person, much less veterans who put their lives at risk for the nation, ever deserved to be treated in such a callous fashion.
    Murder charges should be brought, but don't hold your breath. This isn't a problem exclusive to just one VA district. It infects the entire rotten system.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So if someone is dying in front of you, and you can save them. Its OK to not save them if they are broke?
    That is not the case, even in the OP article's limited example. These folks were placed on waiting lists for who knows what - they not sitting in an ER.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    If it were one of my Parents, I would put together his file and visit your Congressman's main field office .
    People have to all the time, I did exactly that. In the military they teach you to 'be your own advocate' - because they know their system sucks.

    Veterans shouldn't have to move heaven and earth just to go to a doctor for a heart condition.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is not the case, even in the OP article's limited example. These folks were placed on waiting lists for who knows what - they not sitting in an ER.
    Dying in the ER and dying laying in a bed are not much different.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by pogomutt View Post
    Murder charges should be brought, but don't hold your breath. This isn't a problem exclusive to just one VA district. It infects the entire rotten system.
    If a hospital let one of my parents die, oh yea. There would be a murder.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is not the case, even in the OP article's limited example. These folks were placed on waiting lists for who knows what - they not sitting in an ER.
    If you're placed on a waiting list how long do you expect to wait?

    For one: you expect to be given a time. Set up an appointment, perhaps. Make it official. If you called a very busy doctor they might say, "The soonest we can get you in is February 15. That's five months away, is that okay?" You could say no or you could say yes. Then you know it's on the calendar - there it is. Your appointment.

    Okay - good. It would be nice if it could be earlier, but at least you KNOW. At least they're working with you, treating you with respect. They're being professional.

    The veteran's system isn't a schedule based concept like that. It's more akin to a file drawer where there's no organization system and the people are pulled at random and *oops* deleted *oops* stolen files. Just *oops*

    Sounds like a joke, the stolen part, but last year (according to military employees running the medical office) my husband's files were 'stolen' and he had to redo those tests and so forth.

    You want to know how big my husband's med file is? He has copies of all his reports, now (you know: after the military proved unable to maintain his records with all that theft going on). Over 2,000 pages. It's a massive stack that I've yet to file in a more transportable system so it's just sitting on his dresser. i bet you most of those papers are filled with redundant materials and results to the enth degree.

    Anyway - I could rant all day about the failures of military care . . . I really could.
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