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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Horrible....Isn't this sort of what single payer is?
    Great idea j-mac. Let's privatize our vet services. The freemarket will do a better job at taking care of our vets. Even better idea, let's privatize our military. Private contractors will do a better job than our volunteer boys and girls. As well, let's make them pay for their own housing and no more of those benefits we give the military. Let it fend for itself in the free market.
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Was there ever a chance you could have gone back to Syracuse without hurting your husband' health?
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    When we lived in Syracuse, the VA hospital was top notch. The best we've seen.

    When we moved to Alabama, it went in the opposite direction. My husband is a heart patient, and it took 5 months to get a cardiologist appointment. The Syracuse VA sent word with my husband, and also put on his chart, that he was to be seen immediately, because of his heart. They still waited 5 months.

    We got tired of the BS and went with Tricare Prime. It's not free - we have to pay for it every month. But the premiums are a pittance and we get to choose our doctor, and yes they can be civilian. So worth it.
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Was there ever a chance you could have gone back to Syracuse without hurting your husband' health?
    We could go back without hurting his health, but not without hurting his feelings. I'd go home tomorrow, but we live near the beach now, in south Georgia, and I don't think he wants to move back to all that snow.
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - until the military health-care system gets it's multi-billion dollar ass together, it's worthless to the average veteran.

    I cannot imagine an elderly veteran being able to hack what my husband and I had to deal with in order to make his health-care possible. No way - anyone who says otherwise is blowing smoke.
    As you say, it depends on your location.
    At Dad's last stop at Manteno, IL VA--a former Mental Sanitarium but expanded and upgraded--
    there were two Hospitals in nearby Kankakee where Vets were transferred mwhen they got "sick".

    Due to politics, every other ambulance call would go to the Public or Catholic hospital.
    Though Alzheimer's is insidious, both Hospitals sucked Tri-Care dry with expensive tests.

    At the end, we were fought by the Catholic Hospital on Palliative Care and pulling the plug and still had to wait
    for three days of huge expense to Uncle Sugar before we could pull the plug according to Dad's wishes after signing papers .
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So - until the military health-care system gets it's multi-billion dollar ass together, it's worthless to the average veteran.
    If it were one of my Parents, I would put together his file and visit your Congressman's main field office .
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    I was pretty much talking about if a major procedure were necessary, not live there.
    I didn't know about the expanded Tri-Care option.
    Mom has Dad's since he is gone and it takes care of her in an assisted living.
    I know we're fortunate to have it.
    I can think of several good Hospitals near her .
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    We could go back without hurting his health, but not without hurting his feelings. I'd go home tomorrow, but we live near the beach now, in south Georgia, and I don't think he wants to move back to all that snow.
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I was pretty much talking about if a major procedure were necessary, not live there.
    I didn't know about the expanded Tri-Care option.
    Mom has Dad's since he is gone and it takes care of her in an assisted living.
    I know we're fortunate to have it.
    I can think of several good Hospitals near her .
    Oh, no - that'd be like 1,000 miles to get there. Gainesville, Florida has a decent VA hospital, but we haven't spent a lot of time there so we can't say how good it is, or is not. It's the closest one to us. He only went there for a bucketload of testing when we were getting his disability percentage increased. Because he has Tricare Prime, plus Medicare, he sees whoever he wants. If he gets pissed, he dumps them and finds another one. It's liberating, I tell ya'. $38 a month, for all 4 of us.
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    I would like to add something here, as well, for the veterans who are working, trying to get the VA to help them. My husband, a couple of years ago, was finally, after many years, approved for 100% total service connected disability. It took years of research. I have 7 binders full of his SMRs, as well as binders of documentation proving that the issues he has are a result of the Army. At the beginning of this "quest," I found a website called Home Veterans Disability Claims HadIt.com Veteran To Veteran LLC. It was invaluable. I don't think I could have gotten his increase without these people. The website is called "had it" because it's a bunch of pissed off vets and spouses, who are tired of being screwed by the VA, and they tell you how to beat them.

    My first thing I was told, when I went there the first time, looking for help for his increase? I was told, "Do NOT expect the VA to do the right thing, because they will not. Do NOT expect them to help you find documentation to verify your claims, because they will not. They will send you the SMRs, but it's your job to go through each SMR, line by line, and find the problem. Then once you find it, you have to find documentation that backs up where the military caused this. Then you turn it in and hope for the best." So that's what I had to do. Took a few years, of going line by line through each individual SMR (out of thousands upon thousands). Either way, it was worth it because he got his increase, but it wasn't easy. I learned a lot doing it, and now am happy to help any Vets that are in the position he was in, for so long.
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    re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Oh, no - that'd be like 1,000 miles to get there. Gainesville, Florida has a decent VA hospital, but we haven't spent a lot of time there so we can't say how good it is, or is not. It's the closest one to us. He only went there for a bucketload of testing when we were getting his disability percentage increased.

    Because he has Tricare Prime, plus Medicare, he sees whoever he wants.
    If he gets pissed, he dumps them and finds another one.
    It's liberating, I tell ya'. $38 a month, for all 4 of us.
    I saw a lot of Air Force Bases before my 13th birthday.
    We came back from Morrocco in 1961 and went to Travis, the gateway to Vietnam.
    Sargeants like Dad didn't make a lot, but like Ron Paul once said, we didn't know we were poor until we were told we were, especially off base.

    We never wanted for anything, especially health care.
    Though Dad would get racial when drunk, he always reminded me it was a Black Doctor who saved my life when I was a baby .
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    A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list

    A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list - CNN.com

    (CNN) -- At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care system, many of whom were placed on a secret waiting list.

    The secret list was part of an elaborate scheme designed by Veterans Affairs managers in Phoenix who were trying to hide that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor, according to a recently retired top VA doctor and several high-level sources.

    For six months, CNN has been reporting on extended delays in health care appointments suffered by veterans across the country and who died while waiting for appointments and care. But the new revelations about the Phoenix VA are perhaps the most disturbing and striking to come to light thus far.

    Internal e-mails obtained by CNN show that top management at the VA hospital in Arizona knew about the practice and even defended it.

    Dr. Sam Foote just retired after spending 24 years with the VA system in Phoenix. The veteran doctor told CNN in an exclusive interview that the Phoenix VA works off two lists for patient appointments:

    There's an "official" list that's shared with officials in Washington and shows the VA has been providing timely appointments, which Foote calls a sham list. And then there's the real list that's hidden from outsiders, where wait times can last more than a year.
    The administrators of this VA hospital should be frog-marched out in front of the hospital and shot.
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