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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    The VA has millions of visits a day. That was one.
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    My best friend went to the VA, for an appointment that he waited 39 days for, to get an examination done on his back. When the doctor came in, he asked my friend how his skin rash was doing.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you miss the part about the, "secret list"? This is a government agency. The government answers to the people. For this, we want answers and someone needs to be punished.
    No. It is a secret list that was made by one particular hospital that happens to be a part of a government agency. Those people responsible for that list are (hopefully) being punished (or have been punished).

    And I gave the answers for why things like this happen. Pressure to reach unreasonable goals. It doesn't make it right, but it is the most logical answer for why it would happen.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

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    No. It is a secret list that was made by one particular hospital that happens to be a part of a government agency. Those people responsible for that list are (hopefully) being punished (or have been punished).

    And I gave the answers for why things like this happen. Pressure to reach unreasonable goals. It doesn't make it right, but it is the most logical answer for why it would happen.
    It doesn't change the fact that this is going on and an investigation needs to be launched to find out if this is a local issue, or if any other facilities are doing the same thing.

    Making excuses for this kind of behavior isn't the solution.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

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    The VA has millions of visits a day. That was one.
    You think that's the only one? Are you for real?
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    No, but one case that supposedly the doctor asked your buddy the wrong question...no, no you are right. That is all the proof you need, the system sucks. Adpst's buddy said so. How can one carry on a conversation about a system with millions that thinks his buddy's experience, made up or not, is indicative of the function of the system. You just cant. I give.
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    You think that's the only one? Are you for real?
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    No, but one case that supposedly the doctor asked your buddy the wrong question...no, no you are right. That is all the proof you need, the system sucks. Adpst's buddy said so. How can one carry on a conversation about a system with millions that thinks his buddy's experience, made up or not, is indicative of the function of the system. You just cant. I give.
    The wrong question? Hell, he was seeing the wrong patient! LOL!

    Service at the VA is notoriously bad. The OP shows just how bad it can be.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't change the fact that this is going on and an investigation needs to be launched to find out if this is a local issue, or if any other facilities are doing the same thing.

    Making excuses for this kind of behavior isn't the solution.
    I'm not making any excuses here. I am giving reasoning for how to (hopefully) reduce the risk of it happening again, if the government actually realized why it happened, rather than simply react to it.

    And nowhere have I said this case should not be investigated nor that those responsible should not be held accountable.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm not making any excuses here. I am giving reasoning for how to (hopefully) reduce the risk of it happening again, if the government actually realized why it happened, rather than simply react to it.

    And nowhere have I said this case should not be investigated nor that those responsible should not be held accountable.
    That's exactly what you're doing. It's almost as if you're excusing this conduct, altogether.

    No one is being punished. The director of the Phoenix VA has been placed on administrative leave, with pay.

    This isn't just a local problem, either.

    VA treatment records falsified, probe finds
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly what you're doing. It's almost as if you're excusing this conduct, altogether.

    No one is being punished. The director of the Phoenix VA has been placed on administrative leave, with pay.

    This isn't just a local problem, either.

    VA treatment records falsified, probe finds
    And that is wrong. They should be punishing those responsible. (Although it is more than possible that they are simply still in the middle of their investigation.) That though has nothing to do with why this occurred. Any time a crime or wrong has been committed, an important part of the investigation should be why it happened in order to help to reduce the chance that it will happen again, especially in situations like this.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that is wrong. They should be punishing those responsible. (Although it is more than possible that they are simply still in the middle of their investigation.) That though has nothing to do with why this occurred. Any time a crime or wrong has been committed, an important part of the investigation should be why it happened in order to help to reduce the chance that it will happen again, especially in situations like this.
    The reason this occurred, is because there are crooked bureaucrats running the system; from top to bottom.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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