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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The same reason I cant probalby, the means test.
    See, that makes no sense. My husband used to drive the VA shuttle, and had to drive all the way to Rome, NY, to pick up a retired police commander from the NY State Troopers. He had a brand new Mercedes, but did not want to drive all the way to Syracuse from Rome, putting miles on his car. He did not retire from the military and was not disabled. He was still able to use the VA hospital in Syracuse for health care.

    Makes no sense, but then there's little about the VA that does make sense.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    He was signed up before 1997 or service connected. It is just the government, dont try to make too much sense out of it.
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    See, that makes no sense. My husband used to drive the VA shuttle, and had to drive all the way to Rome, NY, to pick up a retired police commander from the NY State Troopers. He had a brand new Mercedes, but did not want to drive all the way to Syracuse from Rome, putting miles on his car. He did not retire from the military and was not disabled. He was still able to use the VA hospital in Syracuse for health care.

    Makes no sense, but then there's little about the VA that does make sense.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Everybody pay attention to these posts now. This is what happens when the federal government is in charge of healthcare.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    In many cities in the US the VA hospital is the best in town.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    He was signed up before 1997 or service connected. It is just the government, dont try to make too much sense out of it.
    That's true.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    In many cities in the US the VA hospital is the best in town.
    My husband and I swear by the VA hospital in Syracuse. It's the best medical facility he's ever been involved in, and he medically retired in 1992.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    i wonder which bumbling government bureaucratic ineptitude is worse: VA or Obamacare?
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Why? What is your reason for not being able to get healthcare?

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    I was in from 1989 till 1995 then went back in in 1999 until 2006 and I served in both Gulf Wars. I was told that since I dont have any service connected disabilities, I was not retired from the military, and I make too much money I dont qualify.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I find it dishonest how some view certain groups trying to coverup things up and claim that this is how exactly the entire program works. Guess what? People in the civilian world can't even get on some lists at all because they can't afford it. They don't have the money to pay for it and they still don't have insurance for any number of reasons. This is an issue but certainly not the norm. I've been under military medicine for a large portion of my life and was able to get many appointments pretty quickly. They even pointed out a problem with my knee when they were checking my leg for why I had pain lower down. And no, this isn't right, but it also isn't something that can be blamed on the system really, but rather on the nature of people and the pressure put on these hospitals to operate seeing more people with less resources and higher expectations that are simply not completely reasonable under the circumstances. It isn't an excuse for this horrible list (those responsible should be fired), but it is a reason why we would see such a thing.

    And this would be different if we had an NHC system because vets could easily choose to go to either a VA hospital or a hospital closer because they wouldn't have to worry about not being able to pay for it. And civilian hospitals/doctors face some of these same exact problems, including long wait times and even turning people away.

    In cities, the average doctor wait-time is 18.5 days

    But also there are many things that occur in the civilian medical system as well that would be similar to this and yet never brought to light like this is here because they are under less scrutiny (far less) than military systems.

    How would any of you suggest this change and would that change realistically "save" people? Because if you know of a way to fix it so this doesn't happen but where veterans are still able to receive quality healthcare without completely breaking the federal or state coffers, please tell us all that plan. Perhaps we can push to get that put into place.

    No system is immune from human failings and errors, greed or incompetence. Whether it is publicly run or privately.
    Did you miss the part about the, "secret list"? This is a government agency. The government answers to the people. For this, we want answers and someone needs to be punished.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    In many cities in the US the VA hospital is the best in town.
    My best friend went to the VA, for an appointment that he waited 39 days for, to get an examination done on his back. When the doctor came in, he asked my friend how his skin rash was doing.

    No doubt there are VA success stories, but they're not the norm.
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