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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    The process for bringing those responsible for the terrible tragedy at the Phoenix VA facility is now getting underway. From CNN:

    The director of the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care system and two others have been placed on administrative leave amid claims of a secret waiting list used to hide delays in care that resulted in the death of U.S. veterans...

    Those placed on leave, according to the statement, are Phoenix VA Director Sharon Helman, Associate Director Lance Robinson and a third employee, who was not identified by name.


    Phoenix VA officials put on leave after denial of secret wait list - CNN.com

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    I hope CNN stays on top of this. Often management really, really screws up and just disappears for a while and pops up in a better jobs far away. I hope these goof balls dont get away with it. If they make examples of this bunch, it will help nationwide.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    For retirees, perhaps... but the VAST majority of vets didn't do 20- certainly few grunts do. I've heard the retiree rate was between 5 to 15%. Increasing the possible compensation package for a very few vets probably falls into more lip service than benefit for most vets.

    I have noticed an uptick in veteran service support- a cannon cocker friend of mine got a small disability approval for cold weather injury he had in Germany, he didn't do the 20 but was awarded a disability anyway.
    The way I understand military disability to work, it doesn't matter if you sign on the line on Monday, and you get injured on Friday, you are eligible for disability, if the injury is disabling.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The process for bringing those responsible for the terrible tragedy at the Phoenix VA facility is now getting underway. From CNN:

    The director of the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care system and two others have been placed on administrative leave amid claims of a secret waiting list used to hide delays in care that resulted in the death of U.S. veterans...

    Those placed on leave, according to the statement, are Phoenix VA Director Sharon Helman, Associate Director Lance Robinson and a third employee, who was not identified by name.


    Phoenix VA officials put on leave after denial of secret wait list - CNN.com
    I hope it's a permanent leave.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    The way I understand military disability to work, it doesn't matter if you sign on the line on Monday, and you get injured on Friday, you are eligible for disability, if the injury is disabling.
    Disability is a catch-all term. Frostbite but you are a return to active duty gets, say, 10%, a knife wound 20%, break your leg but return to duty 15%, etc... I didn't know a service related injury but returned to duty and not doing 20 would qualify you for a partial disability until my artillery buddy got a paycheck. Until then I had only heard of those the army released from duty or upon retirement listed all their injuries and tried for a disability check to supplement their retirement. A MSG who started in WWII got 80% from all his injuries, a Vietnam draftee who went on to 'age out' of the Guard got 40% are some of the examples I know about firsthand.

    Suffer wounds, injury, illness that forces you from active duty is what you are thinking of, and back when I went through training until you graduated Basic you didn't qualify for disability.

    Have a laundry list of documented on duty injuries and you can get a very high disability paycheck but be, by most standards, fit for civilian work (or most in the rear with the gear military jobs)

    It's an odd deal, I can't say I understand it all...

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Disability is a catch-all term. Frostbite but you are a return to active duty gets, say, 10%, a knife wound 20%, break your leg but return to duty 15%, etc... I didn't know a service related injury but returned to duty and not doing 20 would qualify you for a partial disability until my artillery buddy got a paycheck. Until then I had only heard of those the army released from duty or upon retirement listed all their injuries and tried for a disability check to supplement their retirement. A MSG who started in WWII got 80% from all his injuries, a Vietnam draftee who went on to 'age out' of the Guard got 40% are some of the examples I know about firsthand.

    Suffer wounds, injury, illness that forces you from active duty is what you are thinking of, and back when I went through training until you graduated Basic you didn't qualify for disability.

    Have a laundry list of documented on duty injuries and you can get a very high disability paycheck but be, by most standards, fit for civilian work (or most in the rear with the gear military jobs)

    It's an odd deal, I can't say I understand it all...

    I'm having a little trouble understanding what you mean. I do know that you cannot be active duty and be receiving a disability check at the same time. It's fraud. And unless this is something new, you don't have to graduate basic to qualify for disability. You could be in basic one day and be injured, and be eligible for disability - again, that is unless things have changed.

    And the 20 year mark has nothing to do with disability at all. The longer you are in, the better chance you have of something being military-related that happens to you, and it has to be service connected. But the thing is, everything in the military is service connected. If you are an MP and you have a car accident chasing a suspect, and that car accident leaves you with a limp, you have a service connected disability. If you slip and fall in a puddle of water at the PX and you broke your knee, and you were unable to perform your duties, you would be service-connected disabled. If you have repeated ear infections and have permanent, profound hearing loss, and cannot perform your duties, you are service-connected disabled. They can try to reclassify you, but depending on the severity of your condition, that may not work, either.

    There is no clear-cut definition of what is disabled, but one thing is for sure - if it happens while you are in the military, there is a 99.9% chance that your injuries are service connected, and compensable.

    Getting them to admit it, and pay you for it? That's up to you. Not them. The VA will never admit that anything that happens to you is a result of service connection. You have to pull your SMRs, go through them and find the disability and prove to them that it happened while you were active duty, and that it is service connected. And even then, be prepared for a fight.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Disability is a catch-all term. Frostbite but you are a return to active duty gets, say, 10%, a knife wound 20%, break your leg but return to duty 15%, etc... I didn't know a service related injury but returned to duty and not doing 20 would qualify you for a partial disability until my artillery buddy got a paycheck. Until then I had only heard of those the army released from duty or upon retirement listed all their injuries and tried for a disability check to supplement their retirement. A MSG who started in WWII got 80% from all his injuries, a Vietnam draftee who went on to 'age out' of the Guard got 40% are some of the examples I know about firsthand.

    Suffer wounds, injury, illness that forces you from active duty is what you are thinking of, and back when I went through training until you graduated Basic you didn't qualify for disability.

    Have a laundry list of documented on duty injuries and you can get a very high disability paycheck but be, by most standards, fit for civilian work (or most in the rear with the gear military jobs)

    It's an odd deal, I can't say I understand it all...
    There's so much abuse in the VA disability bureaucracy, and retired NCO's are a big part of the problem. It seems that almost every one of them sees VA disability as a second paycheck, to supplement their retirement check, so when they retire, they submit dozens if not hundreds of VA disability claims under every category the VA uses for a rating. It's like a lottery for them, hoping they'll strike it rich. Meanwhile, they tie up the system for those with legitimate claims for years, and years. That abuse has to stop. Congress has to put its foot down. These people submitting bogus disability claims in an effort to extort tax dollars need to see the inside of a jail cell. That'd stop much of this abuse.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    For what it's worth, satisfaction with VA care is 90% plus on surveys of veteran patients. Hospital accreditation boards rank VA hospital care as among the best next to private hospitals, the occasional dissatified veteran notwithstanding.

    Despite that, or because of it, the waiting times are long. Offer free or cheap care and the demand is going to be high.
    90%? Tell that to my buddy that went in for a routine biopsy and they ran the needle through his heart, cut his chest open to save him with what looks like a chain saw.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by pogomutt View Post
    There's so much abuse in the VA disability bureaucracy, and retired NCO's are a big part of the problem. It seems that almost every one of them sees VA disability as a second paycheck, to supplement their retirement check, so when they retire, they submit dozens if not hundreds of VA disability claims under every category the VA uses for a rating. It's like a lottery for them, hoping they'll strike it rich. Meanwhile, they tie up the system for those with legitimate claims for years, and years. That abuse has to stop. Congress has to put its foot down. These people submitting bogus disability claims in an effort to extort tax dollars need to see the inside of a jail cell. That'd stop much of this abuse.
    I'm not saying this never happens, but all the NCOs would have to have a lot of doctors in their pockets, and even then, they'd have to have the doctors that that VA sends you to, in your pocket as well. There are a lot of checks and balances to be able to be found disabled by VA standards. It's really, really not easy to do, and I truly don't believe that rank gets you any special treatment.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    They are still getting paid.
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    I hope it's a permanent leave.
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