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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Will republicans push to hire more government employees to process these claims or will they continue to use the deaths of these veterans for political purposes?
    The problem is not the number of employees, it is the horrible bureaucracy in the department.

    An administrator with the power to reduce a disabled veteran's benefits to 0% without any input from a medical professional, a system that takes over 18 months to do nothing on a request for a form, but a Congressman gets it done in a week, doctors who are incompetent and only work there because they can not get work elsewhere, the list just goes on and on and on.

    Very few problems can be solved by throwing money at them, and this is a perfect example. Until the system actually works for the veterans it is supposed to help instead of supporting the people who hold the jobs, it will continue to be broken.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i have never had rationed care. i walk in pay my co pay walk out.
    wife just had a baby no care was rationed
    i have had minor surgeries no care was rationed.

    actually it does have meaing you just don't like it because it is what you support which is total government control.


    Practitioners in most nations with UHC are private citizens, not government employees. There's no bureaucrat deciding what care you get. Your doctor decides that. When you're willing to talk about UHC like an adult, let me know.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Will Democrats continue to let our veterans die?
    Republicans are the ones slashing budgets. Why do you vote for the people who are literally murdering veterans in their sleep?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Republicans are the ones slashing budgets. Why do you vote for the people who are literally murdering veterans in their sleep?
    Why do you vote for people who consider soldiers baby-killers, and returning veterans as national security threats.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post


    Practitioners in most nations with UHC are private citizens, not government employees. There's no bureaucrat deciding what care you get. Your doctor decides that. When you're willing to talk about UHC like an adult, let me know.
    Actually you would be wrong. you see your UHC only covers what the government says it covers. IE 5-7 years ago you couldn't get herceptin in european areas through their UHC. the government deemed it to expensive.

    The only way that the government can control costs in a UHC is by limiting and or not paying the full amount on certain procedures and medicine's.
    Which is why most people that have UHC also have a private insurance plan to cover what the government plan doesn't.

    so not only do you have to pay higher taxes for the UHC you have to pay even more for the private plan.

    you seem to view UHC through rose color glasses and ignore the major issues that it has that people don't want to talk about. They think it is free healthcare and it isn't.
    They think you can just walk in get whatever it is you want and walk out, and you can't.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I can't. I make too much money and have insurance. I often wonder if that too is not a mistake. Why not take us all and the money and build better facilities with the income.
    Why re-invent the wheel? Why try and build another hospital system and duplicate over head costs?

    If all the chest thumping civilians want to do more than rant about Congress or the 'government' REALLY want say thank you to those who went while they had 'better' things to do...

    Why not a voucher system for vets? Why not use the health care system we have instead of trying to expand the VA? Why not let the VA concentrate on the wounded, service connected disability, and those who can't get insurance on their own.

    Most of us have made a good life after service, why give that all up in order to get some of our Veteran Benefits...

    Just between us vets... I don't hold out much hope that the never served ranters are going to do more than vent their collective spleens, demand someone gets frog marched and shot...

    But I have grown tired of Vet benefits being a last resort rather than a thank you package...

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree with much of what you said. There is another component that has made getting on VA disability ever more attractive. Concurrent Disability.
    For retirees, perhaps... but the VAST majority of vets didn't do 20- certainly few grunts do. I've heard the retiree rate was between 5 to 15%. Increasing the possible compensation package for a very few vets probably falls into more lip service than benefit for most vets.

    I have noticed an uptick in veteran service support- a cannon cocker friend of mine got a small disability approval for cold weather injury he had in Germany, he didn't do the 20 but was awarded a disability anyway.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    For retirees, perhaps... but the VAST majority of vets didn't do 20- certainly few grunts do. I've heard the retiree rate was between 5 to 15%. Increasing the possible compensation package for a very few vets probably falls into more lip service than benefit for most vets.

    I have noticed an uptick in veteran service support- a cannon cocker friend of mine got a small disability approval for cold weather injury he had in Germany, he didn't do the 20 but was awarded a disability anyway.
    For most folk, it depends on what you have documented while you are on active duty. Even if you get a disability rating of 0 its a gateway into service.

    The VA is needed. Unfortunately...they are simply burying it with programs. Every new program has an administrative team. Once those dug in...its damn near impossible to get rid of them. I work with the VA in several capacities very closely and have nothing but love and respect for most of the people I work with. Doesnt mean there arent some real heavy duty problems. And I could add my own horror stories to the book.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Republicans are the ones slashing budgets. Why do you vote for the people who are literally murdering veterans in their sleep?
    Those crazy Republicans are murdering sleeping people again?

    How did a story as serious as this one where men who served our country died because of terrible bureaucracy become fodder for partisan digs?

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Those crazy Republicans are murdering sleeping people again? How did a story as serious as this one where men who served our country died because of terrible bureaucracy become fodder for partisan digs?
    I have to laugh at your rather limp attempt to show umbrage for 'partisanship'...

    Did ya miss all the 'Obamacare' attacks attempting to use 'a story as serious as this one where men who served our country died' to make off topic wails/rants/whines????

    You seem highly partisan on your upset over partisan digs...

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