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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Actually, for the last 20 years I have been saying that before the Government even tries to take over the healthcare system of the entire country, they need to fix the VA first.

    When the Government can't even adequately handle the healthcare of Veterans alone (who make up less then 5% of the population), how can they be trusted to handle the other 95%?
    Because the VA system has been separated from the rest of the healthcare system and has highly limited resources. A universal healthcare system wouldn't have that problem, as any doctor or any hospital would be accessible. Additionally, not every universal health care system is the government "taking over" the entire healthcare system. In France, for example, doctors are not government employees.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because the VA system has been separated from the rest of the healthcare system and has highly limited resources. A universal healthcare system wouldn't have that problem, as any doctor or any hospital would be accessible. Additionally, not every universal health care system is the government "taking over" the entire healthcare system. In France, for example, doctors are not government employees.
    yes it would it would still have a limit on resources for a given year.
    sorry if you want rationed care please move. i prefer non-rationed care.

    walter reed, VA, medicaid are the perfect examples of why we don't want government taking over the healthcare industry.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yes it would it would still have a limit on resources for a given year.
    sorry if you want rationed care please move. i prefer non-rationed care.
    We have always rationed health care in this country.

    walter reed, VA, medicaid are the perfect examples of why we don't want government taking over the healthcare industry.
    You guys throw around the phrase "taking over" in so many contexts that it has lost meaning.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because the VA system has been separated from the rest of the healthcare system and has highly limited resources. A universal healthcare system wouldn't have that problem, as any doctor or any hospital would be accessible. Additionally, not every universal health care system is the government "taking over" the entire healthcare system. In France, for example, doctors are not government employees.
    And you dodge the point that if they can't even adequately care for such a small percentage of the population, how can they be trusted to manage everything else?

    And a "limited budget" of only $160+ billion dollars.

    Give me a break. The problem is that it is a government bureaucracy, where most of the people are more interested in justifying their own jobs then anything else. Hell, they can not even be bothered to respond to multiple requests from both a servicemember and a recruiter for a simple DD-214 and medical records without getting a congressman involved.

    One of my major reasons for going back in the military was so that I would get away from the VA and back into the military where I know the medical system worked.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We have always rationed health care in this country.


    You guys throw around the phrase "taking over" in so many contexts that it has lost meaning.
    i have never had rationed care. i walk in pay my co pay walk out.
    wife just had a baby no care was rationed
    i have had minor surgeries no care was rationed.

    actually it does have meaing you just don't like it because it is what you support which is total government control.

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i have never had rationed care. i walk in pay my co pay walk out.
    wife just had a baby no care was rationed
    i have had minor surgeries no care was rationed.

    actually it does have meaing you just don't like it because it is what you support which is total government control.
    And the Government loves to ration things.
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Will republicans push to hire more government employees to process these claims or will they continue to use the deaths of these veterans for political purposes?
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Will republicans push to hire more government employees to process these claims or will they continue to use the deaths of these veterans for political purposes?
    Will Democrats continue to let our veterans die?
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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Will republicans push to hire more government employees to process these claims or will they continue to use the deaths of these veterans for political purposes?
    You mean...like you just did?

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    Re: A fatal wait: Veterans languish and die on a VA hospital's secret list [W:36]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You mean...like you just did?
    Reinoe's looking for this....

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