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    Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Putin’s remarks raise fears of future moves against Ukraine - The Washington Post

    This is a few days old but did anyone catch this? Where's PeteEU he was very stubborn in his insistence that there were no Russians in Crimea prior to the annexation or the referendum? Does this change anyone's mind about what kind of person is running the show in Moscow?

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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Putin’s remarks raise fears of future moves against Ukraine - The Washington Post

    This is a few days old but did anyone catch this? Where's PeteEU he was very stubborn in his insistence that there were no Russians in Crimea prior to the annexation or the referendum? Does this change anyone's mind about what kind of person is running the show in Moscow?
    Of course they were in Crimea,ever heard of the Black Sea Fleet?
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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Of course they were in Crimea,ever heard of the Black Sea Fleet?
    Thats obviously not what he meant

    In early March, Putin denied that the well-equipped troops operating on Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula and wearing green uniforms without insignia were Russian. Anyone could buy those uniforms, he said. On Thursday, when asked about the soldiers widely known as the green men, Putin acknowledged that they were Russian. Their presence had been necessary, he said, to keep order so that Crimeans could decide their future in a referendum.

    “We didn’t want any tanks, any nationalist combat units or people with extreme views armed with automatic weapons,” he said. “Of course, Russian servicemen backed the Crimean self-defense forces.”

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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Thats obviously not what he meant
    They were most likely there before the coup in Ukraine.
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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Putin’s remarks raise fears of future moves against Ukraine - The Washington Post

    This is a few days old but did anyone catch this? Where's PeteEU he was very stubborn in his insistence that there were no Russians in Crimea prior to the annexation or the referendum? Does this change anyone's mind about what kind of person is running the show in Moscow?
    I don't believe there was serious doubt about Russian covert forces being present in Crimea, especially as strategic installations were secured, communications cut, etc.

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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    How is this surprising considering, Russians in Ukraine form the largest ethnic minority in the country, and the community forms the largest single Russian diaspora in the world.

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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    It's been a known fact for a while now, before the "referendum". Was there seriously people who thought there were no Russian troops?
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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Yet another example of how Western media twists facts to fit the agenda and then substitutes its own opinions in for facts. Putin said Russian soldiers were providing support and protection for Crimean militia. There is no indication that this actually differs from what Russia said about the matter back in March. No one ever said Russian troops were not present in Crimea, obviously, and when asked about their potential involvement in the events playing out there they always made mention of something to the effect that any involvement they had was about security. Basically, their argument from the beginning has been that Crimean militia were the ones actively seizing control of territory with Russian forces merely maintaining security in the region in cooperation with them. Whether you believe that is a full and accurate summation of their involvement or not, it is clearly not inconsistent with what Putin said in the Q&A. Unfortunately, Western media have been less-than-forthcoming in providing full and accurate details on Russia's position on these issues, thus leading to these types of "revelations" when they suit the agenda of the Western establishment.
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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Putin’s remarks raise fears of future moves against Ukraine - The Washington Post

    This is a few days old but did anyone catch this? Where's PeteEU he was very stubborn in his insistence that there were no Russians in Crimea prior to the annexation or the referendum? Does this change anyone's mind about what kind of person is running the show in Moscow?
    Anyone that did not already figure out this was the case....is either ignorant or agenda blinded.

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    Re: Putin admits that Russian Soldiers were in Crimea before annexation or referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Putin’s remarks raise fears of future moves against Ukraine - The Washington Post

    This is a few days old but did anyone catch this? Where's PeteEU he was very stubborn in his insistence that there were no Russians in Crimea prior to the annexation or the referendum? Does this change anyone's mind about what kind of person is running the show in Moscow?
    I never said there were no Russia troops in Crimea before the referendum. There was thousands of troops based at the naval base for example. And read what Putin said...

    He said that Russian service men "backed" the Crimean self defence forces. Now how you interpret that comment is up to you, but based on the fact that there is no evidence of Russian troops going over the border as some claimed, then the only troops it could have been would have been from the naval base.... who were already in Crimea. He is stating the obvious... there were Russian troops in the Crimea and they of course backed the pro-Russian self defence forces. Now this backing could be via actual troops, or material.. that is the real question, that we will have a hard time answering because of the similarities in language of the area... put a Ukranian in a Russian uniform and he looks like a Russian.. and visa versa. But considering the amount of defections happening in the Ukrainian military, then putting on a new uniform supplied by the Russia military would not be a stretch either.

    We can bitch as much about the annexation as we want, but the fact is that a large majority of the population wanted it regardless of the flawed referendum and the Russians would never let Ukraine touch Sevastopol... which was ultimately the goal of Kiev and had been since the formation of Ukraine.
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