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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I wouldn't send my kids to religious schools because we are not a religious family, which I've said on here repeatedly. You fail.
    You seem to have more in common with religious institutions, so I don't see how I "fail" by my suggestion. It still stands.
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm small minded because I don't want adults handing out graphc pictures depicting sex to my children. I adore Liberal logic.

    When you have your own kids, you can raise them as you see fit. I'm sure you can find other adults to give out graphic sex cartoons to your kids, and you can thump yourself on the chest when it happens that you have a big mind. Enjoy.
    That's part of my point. They are not kids any more and you are not raising them any more. I think it is bizarre that you think that you still are, especially to the extent that you think you are. Do they even know how to fly?
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Electing to take a class in pornography has nothing to do with the OP which stated that the college bought the material for all incoming freshmen and distributed said material to incoming freshman. That is not "elective".

    Drawn breasts isn't the same thing as cartoons depicting women having sex with each other.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well they are going to college, they are adults. There is a graphic novel that I own and so does my high school's library that depicts the same thing, but it is about coming of age, not about the sex. Not to mention it won numerous awards and had a film made about it. I wouldn't be surprised if the book is the one they are talking about.
    That would have been awesome when I was a freshman at college, especially considering I was 17 when I started. Not quite a legal adult, but distributing graphic sexual material to a minor is probably no big deal, huh?
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    Just because its not done at gun point or with the threat of jail doesn't mean its not censorship. It may be a backhanded version of it, but its still censorship. National Coalition Against Censorship, the ACLU of South Carolina, the American Association of University Professors, the Modern Language Association, the Association of College and Research Libraries, the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression, the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, the Association of American Publishers, the National Council of Teachers of English and the American Library Association all agree with that view since they wrote a letter to the South Carolina Finance Committee to that effect.

    What you're saying is kind of like a gun control proponent saying "Oh, bans on assault rifles isn't an infringement on the right to bear arms. You clearly haven't been to Japan. That's infringement!".
    So any book the the state legislature isn't currently funding is being censored, according to you. Do you think they are funding every single book ever written except the one in the OP? Did the legislature pass a law banning the book, meaning it's now illegal to possess it?
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Really? The 'we're not as bad as those guys' argument?
    The state needs to cut all funding to all universities or butt out of their business. Legislators aren't elected to make decisions about college curricula. They're not qualified and not mandated.
    They are elected to make funding decisions for the entire state, including state universities. It's kind of part of their jobs.
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    You probably have a point concerning the Bible running afoul of the first, so I'll rephrase. What would be the reaction if any so called right wing agenda was forced on the freshmen and paid for by the state? Say, for example, a subscription to the American Rifleman. Would that work better for you?

    I am against any agenda being forced on any captive audience and paid for with state money. That would include the Bible, the gay book, or any RW publication you care to name. In this case, I believe the state was correct in withholding funds.
    What would my reaction be if the State started cutting funding? The exact same. The issue here is the attempt by a State legislator to bully local universities into not speaking about topics they don't like simply because they don't like them and not because they are breaking any law.

    When you are in college you are "forced" to read all kinds of things you won't agree with assuming you take a class. The philosophy of Nietzsche, The Double Helix, Mein Kampf, Karl Marx.. What if the State decides it doesn't want to pay any salaries for people who are Liberal so it cuts the funding of the school for exactly the amount of those salaries? Would that be right?

    JUst to be clear, this isn't a State funded program. The State is just cutting the money from the pool that they give them for the same amount that the program cost to administer. The college is largely funded by tuition. The State not giving them this money does not mean that the program will just go away. They could easily cut something else instead.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    They are elected to make funding decisions for the entire state, including state universities. It's kind of part of their jobs.
    Based on what?
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Based on what?
    Umm that is their job to set a state budget? this isn't rocket science.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    What would my reaction be if the State started cutting funding? The exact same. The issue here is the attempt by a State legislator to bully local universities into not speaking about topics they don't like simply because they don't like them and not because they are breaking any law.

    When you are in college you are "forced" to read all kinds of things you won't agree with assuming you take a class. The philosophy of Nietzsche, The Double Helix, Mein Kampf, Karl Marx.. What if the State decides it doesn't want to pay any salaries for people who are Liberal so it cuts the funding of the school for exactly the amount of those salaries? Would that be right?

    JUst to be clear, this isn't a State funded program. The State is just cutting the money from the pool that they give them for the same amount that the program cost to administer. The college is largely funded by tuition. The State not giving them this money does not mean that the program will just go away. They could easily cut something else instead.
    all those classes are elective classes and you don't need the books unless you take the class.
    the school doesn't purchase those books for all students at the begining of the year.

    if this was a book for a specific class then there was no need to waste student dollars and state money buying it for every student.

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