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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I got bad news for you: your kids are going to get exposed to a whooooooole lot worse than some class passing out a book on teh gayz.
    Someone has reading comprehension issues, I see. (You).

    I'm not anti-gay, as I've posted repeatedly on here. I said I wouldn't want my children given graphic cartoons of heterosexual couples having sex either.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    That's all well and good and I support your ability to do that 100%. That's your right. However, I don't support an overbearing State government cutting money from a public school for developing a curriculum that includes LGBT issues or allowing LGBT rights events. As others have said, the "sex scene" in the book is an picture drawn in ink with only a little color. It's less suggestive than a commercial you see on TV. This is an award winning piece of work about identity and the effect of intolerance, not a porno mag. Hell, the State University teaches a class on 50 Shades of Grey here and no one is up in arms over that. This is political grandstanding to hype up the conservative base against the scary "liberal elite" trying to brainwash your kids into being gay and nothing more. What do you think the result of these threats to cut funding will be? I don't want my state's schools scared to let their students express themselves on their campus, display art with non-traditional things, or let their teachers discuss non-traditional topics for fear of having to fire people or raise tuition.
    Teaching a class on 50 Shades of Grey isn't the same thing as adults in a university handing out this book to all incoming freshmen. Understand the difference between an elective class and a requirement that the parents had no control over. And the fact that it's about gay women is irrelevant to me. I already said that. I don't want adults peddling graphic material to my kids even of heterosexual sex.

    Why do you Liberals always think people are anti-gay?

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    depends on the class and if it is a manditory class that all kids have to take at some point. if the book was just for one class then only the students taking the class would need to buy it. there is no reason to waste student money supplying a book to all students if all students didn't need it.

    not all students signed up for the class or the class has only so many students in it so why waste money paying for a book that only a small amount are going to use?
    couldn't have anything to do with indoctrination now could it?

    the only person that made out like a bandit was the author of the book and the thousands of books the college's bought.
    After reading vash's post I was going to post the same thing. So the school spent money buying the book for all incoming freshmen but it was for an elective class that all of them won't take? Now it's a waste of money. Did they buy a French language book for all incoming freshmen, even though not all of them will be taking French? How about an Earth Science book, even though all of them won't be taking Earth Science? I guarantee the answer is "no".

    Knowing this fact, I find it more outrageous that they did this.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am not denying that she gets to decide that. I am just saying that it is incredibly small minded. That is something that conservatives like you can't even comprehend, sadly.
    I'm small minded because I don't want adults handing out graphc pictures depicting sex to my children. I adore Liberal logic.

    When you have your own kids, you can raise them as you see fit. I'm sure you can find other adults to give out graphic sex cartoons to your kids, and you can thump yourself on the chest when it happens that you have a big mind. Enjoy.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    S.C. college’s production highlights political battle between lawmakers, public universities - The Washington Post

    My lovely state.

    The House has passed a bill that cuts $52,000 in funding to the College of Charleston for having a graphic novel about a family dealing with the suicide of a closeted gay father on the reading list for an introductory course and $17,000 to USC Upstate for having a gay and lesbian awareness week.

    These politicians and those who support them seem to think if you just ignore the existence of something it'll go away. Trying to punish public universities for highlighting issues in the LGBT community is nothing short of authoritarian censorship.
    Private school, they can do what that want.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    The merit of the program itself isn't really the issue here. The State isn't pulling funding because the idea of buying everyone in the freshman class one book is wasteful. They've been doing it for years with no complaints until they picked a book that a few people didn't like.

    It is a mandatory class for some majors I believe, but not one you have to take that semester and it would have been a different book each semester if I understand it right.
    No the merit of the program is the issue. If only a select group of students need the book then why waste student tuition dollars to the tune of thousands to buy a book that not all students need? You didn't answer the question.

    again sounds more like indoctrination than anything else. There are plenty of actually really good classic literture books that they could have picked. no the school picks a book that is more than controversial and has pronographic pictures in it.

    Parents that are spending the money have the right to object and if officials felt that it was done on purpose they have a right to get their public funding back.
    Politics stunts should not be rewarded with financial gain.

    right is it a specific class for majors so why would you treat it differently than any other major? only students taking the class need the book not the whole entire campus.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    No the merit of the program is the issue. If only a select group of students need the book then why waste student tuition dollars to the tune of thousands to buy a book that not all students need? You didn't answer the question.

    again sounds more like indoctrination than anything else. There are plenty of actually really good classic literture books that they could have picked. no the school picks a book that is more than controversial and has pronographic pictures in it.

    Parents that are spending the money have the right to object and if officials felt that it was done on purpose they have a right to get their public funding back.
    Politics stunts should not be rewarded with financial gain.

    right is it a specific class for majors so why would you treat it differently than any other major? only students taking the class need the book not the whole entire campus.
    I wonder why they didn't buy The Complete Works of Shakespeare for the kids. How about Mein Kampf? The Iliad? Jane Eyre? The House of Seven Gables? The Republic? 1984? There are literally thousands of books that are classic and timeless. Yet they choose one with graphic cartoons depciting sex between women, and people wonder why kids can't even name 15 US Presidents.

    I wonder...did they hand out a copy of the Constitution to incoming freshmen too? Doubt it. But why educate on the Constitution when you can give them cartoons, right?

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Teaching a class on 50 Shades of Grey isn't the same thing as adults in a university handing out this book to all incoming freshmen. Understand the difference between an elective class and a requirement that the parents had no control over. And the fact that it's about gay women is irrelevant to me. I already said that. I don't want adults peddling graphic material to my kids even of heterosexual sex.

    Why do you Liberals always think people are anti-gay?
    i don't know how you would even teach a class on 50 shades of grey. it is nothing more than a graphic s/m book. i wondered what all the hype about the book was so i read through like the first 12 chapters and then stopped i couldn't read anymore it was that bad.

    it is amazing the switch that our society has taken. If it is wholesome, moral, and good in general it is frowned and scorned on. if it is smutty, filled with filth and everything else it is praised and uplifted. then hollywood wonders why all the religious movies that they are coming out with (exception of noah) is doing huge.

    I think people are tired of garbage and want something wholesome and good.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i don't know how you would even teach a class on 50 shades of grey. it is nothing more than a graphic s/m book. i wondered what all the hype about the book was so i read through like the first 12 chapters and then stopped i couldn't read anymore it was that bad.

    it is amazing the switch that our society has taken. If it is wholesome, moral, and good in general it is frowned and scorned on. if it is smutty, filled with filth and everything else it is praised and uplifted. then hollywood wonders why all the religious movies that they are coming out with (exception of noah) is doing huge.

    I think people are tired of garbage and want something wholesome and good.
    I read 50 Shades and thought it was poorly written, and as you said, it's an S&M book. It's another book I don't want my kids reading until they are adults.

    From the time they were little my kids read Shakespeare (we used to read it to them). They also have read our Constitution and do so each year. How much more applicable to their current and future lives is that document? Guess what? My kids get all As and Bs in school and can name all of the US Presidents. They can talk about the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, both World Wars, etc. They know about the interment of Japanese-Americans, they know about slavery, they know about the women's rights movement, they know about business, they know about geography, they know about geology. They know about the Big Bang, they know about astronomy. I wonder...should I feel like a bad parent because they can't talk with any degree of knowledge about lesbian sex acts and S&M?

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is it small minded to say I will only pay for classes teaching subjects that I agree should be taught? One of the main problems with the government being involved in education is that it ignores what parents want their kids to learn in favor of what the government wants kids to learn.
    In what way is it NOT small minded?
    You can never be safe from a government that can keep you completely safe from each other and the world. You must choose.

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