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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Article 4, Section 2 is a rational choice of law in any conflict of laws upon reaching a federal venue.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    There appears to be more nudity in certain DC and Marvel comics than in this "graphic novel". I checked it out, although I've never read it or even heard about it til this thread. And this is not pornography. Pornography is specifically written to induce sexual arousal, while the "sex scene" from this novel was in fact just sharing more of the story where/as it actually happened (it is a memoir afterall).

    There is always a lot of irony when people attempt to censor books, particularly books that are in fact talking about either government censorship or how small mindedness (as demonstrated by the SC legislature) can add to the reasons why events like those depicted in Fun Home happen in the first place, because certain people/places want to hide homosexuals and shun them and tell everyone that homosexuality is wrong and is something to be ashamed of.

    And the book was purchased for all incoming Freshmen in an effort to get them talking about a book, discussing the book, encouraging thinking about a book. And it is a good idea to have them reading a book that many haven't likely read, which is why it is better to choose a newer book or a more obscure book rather than a classic.

    This is government censorship because they punished (or at least are attempting to punish) these schools only because of the personal beliefs of the legislature, nothing more. There is no legitimate interest in doing what is best for the students here at all, but rather for trying to push their political agenda on the schools/students. They even pretty much admit it with this statement:

    “As long as I’m in office,” he said, “I will stand in the gap for those who feel like traditional family values ought to matter.”

    There was nothing about giving this book to students that pushed students to automatically take the side of the author or even agree with the school in any way. In fact, nothing required any students who weren't actually in the certain class that discussed this book to even read it. It was meant to give new students something to begin discussions with though, in an academic way.
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's the beauty of America. We can all decide what's best for our own children.
    Until they are adults, then it is for them to decide what is best for them, even if you are paying for their college, and legally they are adults at 18, which is about the age of most freshmen in college. If you do not agree with them for what is best for your children when they start college, then don't pay for their college. But I guarantee that stance is not going to go over very well if your biggest complaint is this book. They will resent you for it because it is a petty reason to not pay for their college, especially a college they are looking forward to attending, simply because you disapprove of a book they aren't even mandated to read.
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i don't think you are reading her posts. she has stated if they want to spend their money or there time whatever.
    she doesn't want someone else handing it to them.

    i don't think you would take to kindly if someone tried to give you kid a graphical novel depicting sex scene's. i know i wouldn't. more so when i am being charged for it.
    hopefully by then i have raised my kids properly so that they know better.
    I would not have any problem whatsoever with someone handing my children, of college age, graphic novels. By the time they reach college, I imagine that they would see much worse things either on TV or even graphic novels that they have purchased or that have been purchased for them, possibly by me.

    And the "sex scenes" illustrated in this novel are absolutely not pornographic. In fact, from everything I can find about it, they could barely be considered "sex scenes".
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I would not have any problem whatsoever with someone handing my children, of college age, graphic novels. By the time they reach college, I imagine that they would see much worse things either on TV or even graphic novels that they have purchased or that have been purchased for them, possibly by me.

    And the "sex scenes" illustrated in this novel are absolutely not pornographic. In fact, from everything I can find about it, they could barely be considered "sex scenes".
    That is good that YOU don't. YOU are not other people.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You have no problem with strangers handing your children porn. Not everyone feels as you do.
    This isn't porn. It is a graphic novel. Pornography depicts sex in a way that is meant to arouse. Even the sex scene in this book furthers the story, as part of the memoir.

    Perhaps you need to discover the difference between talking about or even showing sex and pornography. While you're at it, you might want to figure out that once your children are 18, they are adults and legally free to live their own lives. You can't legally control them, even if you are paying for their college education. You can choose to not pay for it anymore, or only pay for schools that you approve of, but you can't control what they do or read or watch.
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    That is good that YOU don't. YOU are not other people.
    And other people are free not to personally approve of people giving their "children", who are really adults, what they consider "porn", eventhough it isn't. Just as there are plenty of people who would not approve of their "children" being exposed to novels such as Lady Chatterley's Lover (a classic, btw), or Gone With the Wind, or the Great Gatsby, or To Kill a Mockingbird because those people have issues with those particular novels and don't want their children reading them, even if their children are really adults and/or in college.

    Here's the biggest issue I have with those speaking about others handing their "children" this book. The "children" in question here are college freshmen, which means they are, for the most part adults, and at the very least older teens. They are not really children. Any one of them could in fact buy this novel from the local bookstore without their parents ever knowing about it.
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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The OP said it was handed out to all incoming freshmen. You may want to read the OP link if you want to opine.
    But not "all" incoming freshmen were required to read the novel. They could simply throw it away or donate it or even sell it if they wished without ever cracking the cover on it as long as they were not in that class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And other people are free not to personally approve of people giving their "children", who are really adults, what they consider "porn", eventhough it isn't. Just as there are plenty of people who would not approve of their "children" being exposed to novels such as Lady Chatterley's Lover (a classic, btw), or Gone With the Wind, or the Great Gatsby, or To Kill a Mockingbird because those people have issues with those particular novels and don't want their children reading them, even if their children are really adults and/or in college.

    Here's the biggest issue I have with those speaking about others handing their "children" this book. The "children" in question here are college freshmen, which means they are, for the most part adults, and at the very least older teens. They are not really children. Any one of them could in fact buy this novel from the local bookstore without their parents ever knowing about it.
    actually i am. if i am paying for it then yes I have a say in what they get handed.

    YOU can do what you want you have no say in what I do. as i said that is YOU and YOU are not other people. So what YOU think is ok has no impact on what someone else thinks is ok.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But not "all" incoming freshmen were required to read the novel. They could simply throw it away or donate it or even sell it if they wished without ever cracking the cover on it as long as they were not in that class.
    Fine then you'd have no problem giving them all a copy of the Bible with it, just as long as it wasn't required reading, right.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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