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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    First of all I sincerely doubt that the class handing out sexual guides or whatever the hell it is is part of anyone's major. It's almost certainly just some elective liberal arts course. And if it is part of their major then the nudie picture book is the very least of their problems.

    Second of all, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but in the end your control over what he's exposed to from here on out is severely reduced, your money or not.
    The OP said it was handed out to all incoming freshmen. You may want to read the OP link if you want to opine.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    There was a long drawn out period between when blacks were slaves and when they were fully accepted citizens and there were a lot of people saying "Quit complaining. At least you aren't slaves anymore." back then too. The relative level of injustice in a civil rights issue only affects the urgency of its rectification, not its existence.

    The point is that the exact same phrases and methods that were used against african americans and women are being used to suppress the discussion of homosexual civil rights issues.
    "Homosexual civil rights" is a fabricated issue designed to get liberals all in a tizzy. Civil unions more than covered the needs of the gay community, outside of things like hospital visitation issues that can be rectified easily enough.

    It's insulting to people who have suffered through actual inequities to equate these trumped up gay grandstandings with real issues.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    "Homosexual civil rights" is a fabricated issue designed to get liberals all in a tizzy. Civil unions more than covered the needs of the gay community, outside of things like hospital visitation issues that can be rectified easily enough.

    It's insulting to people who have suffered through actual inequities to equate these trumped up gay grandstandings with real issues.
    Governments trying to suppress the discussion of homosexual issues in universities is a fabricated issue? Clearly not.

    People advocating for preventing homosexual couples from adopting children is a fabricated issue?

    The Defense of Marriage Act preventing homosexual couples from attaining benefits that heterosexual couples have is fabricated? (You know, the one that was found unconstitutional like it should have been)

    Civil unions may solve some of those problems, but there are still states who are voting to ban even those, preventing homosexual couples from having any access to those issues you mentioned. That isn't fabricated either.

    Being call perverts and abominations and a danger to traditional values and all sorts of other things by OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS isn't fabricated either.

    This is 10-15% of our population that are still being treated with utter disrespect and contempt in the public setting on a daily basis and have less rights than the rest of us. That is un-American as un-American can be. Individual freedom doesn't stop when you stop liking the thing that people do with that freedom. Every other minority group has had their fight for their rights and it was long and grueling and had people just like you telling them their cause wasn't valid, but every single one of them eventually WON because your position can't hold up to rational thought about how denying things to one group fits into the prescribed purpose of America.

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    Reviews of the book from Amazon

    This autobiography by the author of the long-running strip, Dykes to Watch Out For, deals with her childhood with a closeted gay father, who was an English teacher and proprietor of the local funeral parlor (the former allowed him access to teen boys). Fun Home refers both to the funeral parlor, where he put makeup on the corpses and arranged the flowers, and the family's meticulously restored gothic revival house, filled with gilt and lace, where he liked to imagine himself a 19th-century aristocrat. The art has greater depth and sophistication that Dykes; Bechdel's talent for intimacy and banter gains gravitas when used to describe a family in which a man's secrets make his wife a tired husk and overshadow his daughter's burgeoning womanhood and homosexuality. His court trial over his dealings with a young boy pushes aside the importance of her early teen years. Her coming out is pushed aside by his death, probably a suicide. The recursively told story, which revisits the sites of tragic desperation again and again, hits notes that resemble Jeanette Winterson at her best. Bechdel presents her childhood as a "still life with children" that her father created, and meditates on how prolonged untruth can become its own reality. She's made a story that's quiet, dignified and not easy to put down. (June)
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    That Alison Bechdel kept a childhood journal made Fun Home a perhaps more true-to-life project than it would have been if she'd relied on memory alone. A powerful graphic novel-memoir, Fun Home documents Bechdel's childhood experiences and coming-of-age as a woman and lesbian. At its center lies her heartbreaking relationship with her distant father, which produces emotionally complex and poignant reflections and clean, bitonal images. While detractors cited confusing chronology and repetition of events, literary buffs enjoyed the challenging references to Albert Camus, James Joyce, and classical mythology. In the end, Fun Home "is an engrossing memoir that does the graphic novel format proud" (New York Times).

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The OP said it was handed out to all incoming freshmen. You may want to read the OP link if you want to opine.
    Handed out. Wow. As in, not even a part of any curriculum.

    I can't believe you're working yourself up over this.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Handed out. Wow. As in, not even a part of any curriculum.

    I can't believe you're working yourself up over this.
    It was handed out to all students, but was a required reading for one class.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You forgot indoctrination.
    To critical thinking and research and scientific process? yes, absolutely.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    It was handed out to all students, but was a required reading for one class.
    I don't recall seeing that in the article, buy hey let's assume that's true and tally this up.

    1)One elective liberal arts course and therefore not pertinent to anybody's major.
    1a)If it is pertinent to anybody's major then maybe it's important, I don't know. I'm guessing Tres borrachos doesn't expect her kids to be in that major anyway.
    2) A book handed out to everybody and nobody is required to actually read it.
    3)All the students in this story are adults.

    I don't know what "much ado about nothing" looks like, but I'm going to guess it looks a lot like this.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Handed out. Wow. As in, not even a part of any curriculum.

    I can't believe you're working yourself up over this.
    Yes, handed out. I'm actually not worked up over it. I think you're confusing me with the OP who is worked up over it.

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    Re: SC House votes to cut funding to public university for homosexul literature

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't recall seeing that in the article, buy hey let's assume that's true and tally this up.

    1)One elective liberal arts course and therefore not pertinent to anybody's major.
    1a)If it is pertinent to anybody's major then maybe it's important, I don't know. I'm guessing Tres borrachos doesn't expect her kids to be in that major anyway.
    2) A book handed out to everybody and nobody is required to actually read it.
    3)All the students in this story are adults.

    I don't know what "much ado about nothing" looks like, but I'm going to guess it looks a lot like this.
    Oh I am not disagreeing with you about that. Just pointing out the facts so we are all on the same page. It was required reading for that one class which is an introductory class, not sure if the class is required and for what majors, and the university declined to allow the students who took exception to the material to read something else. I believe they have a conscientious clause as it pertains to religious reading, but since this isn't religious they didn't feel that an exception was warranted.

    I'm the one that is arguing that the State is overreaching by trying to prevent the distribution of this book.

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