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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So who do you think is going to win?
    Idiocracy has set in. Producers aren't producing kids, and non-producers are ONLY producing kids. That's why socialism is an inevitability.

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Idiocracy has set in. Producers aren't producing kids, and non-producers are ONLY producing kids. That's why socialism is an inevitability.
    The non producers are also often aborting their babies and the survivors are going to inferior schools. This allows the wealthy to send their children to the best private schools in order that they become the leaders of tomorrow while those left behind get food stamps and Obamaphones. This is how the system works in many Latin American countries as well.

    Government run Socialism destroys the middle class, as we are seeing, but much of the electorate will still insist that more programs be established and 'the rich' pay more. What a losing argument that is!

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Hey, I am watching Faux right now about this. You know what they are saying to help the US middle class, quit taxing the rich. I am stunned. Per words of Charlie Gasparino it has been going on for 20 years but is it Obama's fault, it aint Bush's economy. It is funny, all Obamahate, all the time.
    No, it's Clinton's.

    And in case you didn't know, Fox is right leaning. You're shocked that they're critical of Obama?
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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    sure do... I dont care what Canada has or doesnt...

    we sunk to Canadas level.. next we can drop to Kenya

    The rules of Capitalism works... Obama is breaking the known ways to succeed and have upward mobility... he is creating a voting block of poor needing hand outs...that was always his plan..

    do you know whats going on?... because I sure do..
    It seems to me that we have to rise up to Canada's level if they're the ones that passed us. And they have higher taxes and national health care. These are two policies that republicans seem to think destroy a country but they haven't destroyed Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred68 View Post
    It seems to me that we have to rise up to Canada's level if they're the ones that passed us. And they have higher taxes and national health care. These are two policies that republicans seem to think destroy a country but they haven't destroyed Canada.
    Higher taxes, yes, but less corruption overall.

    Obamacare is NOTHING like Canadian health care... In canada, your taxes pay for the services of doctors, but still pay for the "tools"/"materials". Obamacare well, it's a gong show in comparison.

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    This guy is a trip. He whines about Obama taxing too much and spending too much money and then posts a link to a chart showing the much larger increase in public sector employment under Bush... you know the employment that is paid with TAX DOLLARS. That was likely from Medicare Part D and starting a couple wars. Also, your chart shows PRIVATE sector employment decreasing then stagnant under Bush. Dude, do you even remember what was happening in 2008 when Obama was elected? We were in a massive world wide recession. Your chart reflects the massive increase in unemployment due to that and afterwards the employment rate increased for the private sector faster than anything under Bush. I won't give Obama credit for all of that, but he certainly didn't create the disaster hyperpartisan nutjobs spout on about.

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    If they just didnt call themselves fair and balanced, and/or if no one belived them. Fox is not right leaning, it is right right.
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    No, it's Clinton's.

    And in case you didn't know, Fox is right leaning. You're shocked that they're critical of Obama?
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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Canada has substantially higher taxes, a much more socialized healthcare system, and better environmental protections. I don't think you really have any idea what's going on here.
    Actually, much of these thoughts are common but somewhat erroneous.

    Canada has roughly comparable federal income tax rates for lower-middle income persons...but generally much lower tax rates on higher income persons (this does not include provincial income taxes).
    And federal capital gains rates are slightly higher for lower income but overall are comparable - however they are substantially lower at the higher end then U.S. Federal rates...especially on short term investments.

    Canadian income tax rates for Individuals - current and previous years

    Federal Income Tax Rates for the Year 2014

    http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes...-tax-rates.htm

    Capital gains tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    And, though Canada does have more 'socialized' healthcare, the average Canadian pays far less per capita. And Americans pay FAR MORE per capita then any other country in the world on health care (IMO, mostly due to the hodge lodge and competitively restrictive U.S. System which seems to be stuck between semi-government/private. Americans seem to get the worst of both worlds, unless they are rich/have 'Cadillac' insurance plans):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...PP)_per_capita


    And in terms of the environment, Canadian Prime Minister Harper (who has been PM since 2006) has been very anti-environment...going 'backwards' seemingly every chance he gets.

    http://www.sierraclub.ca/en/climate-...d-bad-future-g

    http://www.one-blue-marble.com/harpe...te-change.html
    Last edited by DA60; 04-29-14 at 10:13 AM.

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Actually, much of these thoughts are common but somewhat erroneous.

    Canada has roughly comparable federal income tax rates for lower-middle income persons...but generally much lower tax rates on higher income persons (this does not include provincial income taxes).
    And federal capital gains rates are slightly higher for lower income but overall are comparable - however they are substantially lower at the higher end then U.S. Federal rates...especially on short term investments.

    Canadian income tax rates for Individuals - current and previous years

    Federal Income Tax Rates for the Year 2014

    State Income Tax Rates - Highest Tax Rates for Each State

    Capital gains tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    And, though Canada does have more 'socialized' healthcare, the average Canadian pays far less per capita. And Americans pay FAR MORE per capita then any other country in the world on health care (IMO, mostly due to the hodge lodge and competitively restrictive U.S. System which seems to be stuck between semi-government/private. Americans seem to get the worst of both worlds, unless they are rich/have 'Cadillac' insurance plans):

    List of countries by total health expenditure (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    And in terms of the environment, Canadian Prime Minister Harper (who has been PM since 2006) has been very anti-environment...going 'backwards' seemingly every chance he gets.

    Harper government cuts to environment programs bad policy and bad for future generations | Sierra Club Canada

    Stephen Harper and Global Warming
    So, Canada has lower taxes... if you ignore a lot of them. I wasn't. They actually pay for the things they want their government to buy. Canada's healthcare system is more socialized and is cheaper. That's what socializing healthcare does! It makes it cheaper and more effective. And despite the actions of one prime minister, Canada's environmental policies are generally much better and will bounce back after that PM leaves office. The United States' policies are dominated by people who are trying to pretend that human emitted carbon doesn't work the same way as other carbon.

    I don't know what your point is. You basically just said I was wrong, but then repeated my exact points.
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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, Canada has lower taxes... if you ignore a lot of them. I wasn't. They actually pay for the things they want their government to buy. Canada's healthcare system is more socialized and is cheaper. That's what socializing healthcare does! It makes it cheaper and more effective. And despite the actions of one prime minister, Canada's environmental policies are generally much better and will bounce back after that PM leaves office. The United States' policies are dominated by people who are trying to pretend that human emitted carbon doesn't work the same way as other carbon.

    I don't know what your point is. You basically just said I was wrong, but then repeated my exact points.
    In an ideal situation.... When it gets busy, each major city has their story of people dying in the waiting room after hours waiting.

    It is a blended system, with public and private elements, lost a lot because of the brain drain while us doctors were making significantly more money...

    Oh and seeing reality, that Kyoto and other protocols are not in the interest of a northern and sparsely populated country?

    Even in a worst case of global warming, would just make canada more hospitable. Not going green to their own detriment.

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