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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, Canada has lower taxes... if you ignore a lot of them. I wasn't. They actually pay for the things they want their government to buy. Canada's healthcare system is more socialized and is cheaper. That's what socializing healthcare does! It makes it cheaper and more effective. And despite the actions of one prime minister, Canada's environmental policies are generally much better and will bounce back after that PM leaves office. The United States' policies are dominated by people who are trying to pretend that human emitted carbon doesn't work the same way as other carbon.

    I don't know what your point is. You basically just said I was wrong, but then repeated my exact points.
    My point was that you said Canada has 'substantially higher taxes'...which IMO they do not. In fact, the richer you are, the cheaper they are in comparison to America - federally anyway.
    I did not disagree that they have more socialistic health care - but your notion that socializng it makes it cheaper I strongly disagree with. And I would like to see your links to unbiased factual proof that socialized medicine is cheaper then a 'purely' for profit healthcare system. Free market almost always makes things cheaper - not more expensive.
    And lastly, you said they have better environmental protections. That May or may not be true. But Obama is certainly way better then the Canadian PM on that...and the latter has been in power since '06 - the last election with his first majority. So clearly strong environmental rules are not hugely important to CAnadians right now.

    I was just trying to set the record straight - especially about tax rates as that is an old belief that I think I showed was not true (that U.S. taxes were substNtially lower then Canadian ones at a federal level).

    I could care less about 'who is right'.

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    So, Canada has lower taxes... if you ignore a lot of them. I wasn't. They actually pay for the things they want their government to buy. Canada's healthcare system is more socialized and is cheaper. That's what socializing healthcare does! It makes it cheaper and more effective. And despite the actions of one prime minister, Canada's environmental policies are generally much better and will bounce back after that PM leaves office. The United States' policies are dominated by people who are trying to pretend that human emitted carbon doesn't work the same way as other carbon.

    I don't know what your point is. You basically just said I was wrong, but then repeated my exact points.
    The claim that its cheaper is fine, but it is not more effective. The cheapness of the Canadian health care system is reflected in other areas, such as quality of care and waiting times. It is a compromise between the two.

    One area which has helped is the privatization of some areas of health care, such as the use of MRI's for those who are willing to pay for it. At one time sports teams, the police and politicians would go to the head of the line but now it is accessible to those who are willing to pay. The 'two-tier= system is coming about and it makes a lot of sense.

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The claim that its cheaper is fine, but it is not more effective. The cheapness of the Canadian health care system is reflected in other areas, such as quality of care and waiting times. It is a compromise between the two.

    One area which has helped is the privatization of some areas of health care, such as the use of MRI's for those who are willing to pay for it. At one time sports teams, the police and politicians would go to the head of the line but now it is accessible to those who are willing to pay. The 'two-tier= system is coming about and it makes a lot of sense.
    As opposed to our single tier system, where the tier is simply out of reach for a lot of people.
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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    As opposed to our single tier system, where the tier is simply out of reach for a lot of people.
    Yes, two tier can be more expensive for some but let's not let ideology trump health care.

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Canada has now overtaken the U.S. to become the nation with the wealthiest middle class according to this Globe article, Canada matched the U.S. in median income in 2010 and we have now surpassed the U.S. This is part due to an almost 20% growth income since 2000 while U.S. only had 0.3%, many Western European countries also saw better growth.

    According to the NYT it is: “Because the total bounty produced by the American economy has not been growing substantially faster here in recent decades than in Canada or Western Europe, most American workers are left receiving meagre raises,” the New York Times report says. “Finally, governments in Canada and Western Europe take more aggressive steps to raise the take-home pay of low- and middle-income households by redistributing income.”

    I have to say I am not surprised that the American economy stagnated income wise. Sure some individual states have seen growth but overall the U.S. is in the same place it was in 2000. You can't blame one party or president either since both the Republicans and Democrats have had power during that time.
    Worth Noting: One of the guys who called the U.S. Housing Bubble says that a large portion of that wealth for the Canadian Middle Class is invested in a housing bubble of their own.

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    Re: Canada's Middle Class Richest In Study of Big Nations [W:77]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Worth Noting: One of the guys who called the U.S. Housing Bubble says that a large portion of that wealth for the Canadian Middle Class is invested in a housing bubble of their own.
    Well when the average home price is 700,000$+ in most cities I am not surprised, but we are also aware of it and trying to solve the problem. The way we are solving it, is to repeal all the reforms made by the Conservatives like zero down mortgages. Montreal and Quebec seem to have avoided it rather well though, they may make slightly less than someone in Ontario but at least they can afford a house.
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