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    IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    This is guaranteed to raise the blood pressure of the nation's political right

    The Internal Revenue Service has revoked the tax-exempt status of a conservative-aligned charity for engaging in political activity as far back as the 2004 presidential election — including statements opposing Hillary Clinton for president.

    The Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty, based in Manassas, Va., “has shown a pattern of deliberate and consistent intervention in political campaigns” and made “repeated statements supporting or opposing various candidates by expressing its opinion of the respective candidate’s character and qualifications,” according to a written determination released by the IRS Friday.

    Although the name of the group was redacted from the determination, the facts of the case match statements made by the Patrick Henry Center’s founder. A separate IRS noticeconfirms that the Patrick Henry Center’s tax exemption was revoked in February.

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    IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements



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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    there will be a lawsuit and the Center will win.

    Funny how george soro's companies aren't on the chopping block or had their tax exempt status revoked yet are constantly doing the same thing.

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is guaranteed to raise the blood pressure of the nation's political right

    The Internal Revenue Service has revoked the tax-exempt status of a conservative-aligned charity for engaging in political activity as far back as the 2004 presidential election — including statements opposing Hillary Clinton for president.

    The Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty, based in Manassas, Va., “has shown a pattern of deliberate and consistent intervention in political campaigns” and made “repeated statements supporting or opposing various candidates by expressing its opinion of the respective candidate’s character and qualifications,” according to a written determination released by the IRS Friday.

    Although the name of the group was redacted from the determination, the facts of the case match statements made by the Patrick Henry Center’s founder. A separate IRS noticeconfirms that the Patrick Henry Center’s tax exemption was revoked in February.

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    IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    I know of many church pastors who do the same thing in the pulpit, thus their tax exemption should be revoked as well.

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    It should be noted that this group was organized under (c)(3) and not (c)(4).

    Under c3 no influencing of legislation or a campaign is allowed while under c4, which is the matter at hand in the Issa investigation, an organization IS allowed to use funds for political purposes as long as the use doesn't violate the provisions of subsection (h) of section 501.

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It should be noted that this group was organized under (c)(3) and not (c)(4).

    Under c3 no influencing of legislation or a campaign is allowed while under c4, which is the matter at hand in the Issa investigation, an organization IS allowed to use funds for political purposes as long as the use doesn't violate the provisions of subsection (h) of section 501.
    Yep, obviously the NAACP never does that.

    Actually the 501(c)(3) status seems to allow "lobbying" but not the influencing of campaigns/candidates. This whole can of worms is far too complex and the SCOTUS lets it continue. Either federal income tax exempt status is (or is not) compatable with full freedom of political speach or it is not - having the current administration pick and choose favorites is insane.
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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This whole can of worms is far too complex and the SCOTUS lets it continue. Either federal income tax exempt status is (or is not) compatible with full freedom of political speech or it is not...
    I can agree that it's complex and even somewhat confusing to me from the outside looking in, with each of the various types of 501(c) org having slightly different rules that apply to each and my trying to make heads or tails of them with no real vested interest in any.

    But I'd think that once you've decided which you are, made your application, and been awarded a particular "status" there'd really only be one set of rules that you'd need to worry about - the ones that apply specifically to you.

    If you know what you are, and you know what rules apply to you, I don't really see how it would be all that complex.

    Looking into this issue a little bit it seems to me that complexity isn't the issue here so much as this Gary Aldrich character is crazy, or an idiot, or both ("alleging, among other things, that First Lady Hillary Clinton decorated the White House Christmas Tree with crack pipes and condoms", ummm, yeah, okay jackass).

    Seems like this guy wants to have his cake and eat it too.

    And it seems like he played fast and loose with the rules, got caught (repeatedly) and ultimately got slapped on the dick.

    It shouldn't have mattered to him, and it shouldn't matter to anyone else judging this event, what rules apply to 501(c)(4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 or ...) orgs.

    What should have mattered, and what should matter, are the rules that apply to 501(c)(3) orgs, and whether or not this org broke those rules.

    Seems to me, based upon the little I've read, that the argument can be made that they did.

    Oh well...
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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    there will be a lawsuit and the Center will win.

    Funny how george soro's companies aren't on the chopping block or had their tax exempt status revoked yet are constantly doing the same thing.
    Don't be so certain, their activity clearly violates the law as written.


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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I know of many church pastors who do the same thing in the pulpit, thus their tax exemption should be revoked as well.
    Church's should not be tax exempt unless they are involved with a charity. The opulence displayed by some churches should not have tax exempt status.


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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    So exactly why was their tax exempt status revoked? Because they criticized Hillary Clinton?

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So exactly why was their tax exempt status revoked? Because they criticized Hillary Clinton?
    In a manner that broke the laws under which their tax exempt status was granted, yes. Along with other political activities their type of organization isn't allowed to engage in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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