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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Lots of accusations, no evidence. HSUS has many critics and some appear fair but I don't see anything in their history that was campaigning.

    What 501c3 organizations can do is define issues. Both liberal and conservatives churches do it all the time. Some cross the line, others balance very well.

    This is not a free speech issue because no one's speech is being taken away, even if straddled because you get the non-profit tax-exempt status you choose to get. It isn't like you can't do that work without that status.

    Organizations like Media Matters which is a highly partisan (for the left and not necessarily for Democrats) who have a mission to point out right wing misinformation. What they do is not considered charitable in the strictest sense of the word but does not violate IRS rules which is a position held by one of the first people who challenged their status. They dance close to the line but have smart lawyers who know where the line is. (The are several groups from other perspectives that do similar things).

    The biggest problem is that law is not black and white on purpose.

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    1st amendment trumps the IRS and that is all they have to claim and given the recent SCOTUS rulings they will win. as long as the majority of their
    funding is going toward their charity organization purpose the IRS has no weight in the matter.

    again soro's so called charity businesses do way worse so why is the IRS not going after them ol yea he backs democrats so he is off limit.
    That's not how the rules work. Being a charity, a (c)(3) org, means donors can DEDUCT their contributions. And Congress gave the IRS some guidelines about what orgs qualify as charities, and the IRS enforces those rules. One of them is you can't work to elect or oppose specific candidates if you are organized as a charity. Has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment - it's about donors' deductions and whether the org has to pay income taxes on its net income for the year. Those things are under the purview of Congress which delegates authority to IRS to enforce rules they set up about income tax matters.

    Sababa - missed your post earlier. That's well said, especially about the fact that the lines aren't black and white.

    "We are against abortion. Candidate X's voting record has resulted in the deaths of 30 million babies." Probably good.
    "Vote for Candidate Y, because Candidate X is a baby killer." Probably prohibited coming from a (c)(3)
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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    there will be a lawsuit and the Center will win.

    Funny how george soro's companies aren't on the chopping block or had their tax exempt status revoked yet are constantly doing the same thing.
    Not so sure of that. To be tax exempt requires that your work consist of actual community service, not politicking.
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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's not how the rules work. Being a charity, a (c)(3) org, means donors can DEDUCT their contributions. And Congress gave the IRS some guidelines about what orgs qualify as charities, and the IRS enforces those rules. One of them is you can't work to elect or oppose specific candidates if you are organized as a charity. Has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment - it's about donors' deductions and whether the org has to pay income taxes on its net income for the year. Those things are under the purview of Congress which delegates authority to IRS to enforce rules they set up about income tax matters.

    Sababa - missed your post earlier. That's well said, especially about the fact that the lines aren't black and white.

    "We are against abortion. Candidate X's voting record has resulted in the deaths of 30 million babies." Probably good.
    "Vote for Candidate Y, because Candidate X is a baby killer." Probably prohibited coming from a (c)(3)
    Then why have Soro's 501c3 charities not been shut down for the same reason? hmm i have to ask because they promote more than anyone else yet again only conservatives are targeted.

    again they will sue the IRS for the decision it will go to court and they will win.

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Then why have Soro's 501c3 charities not been shut down for the same reason? hmm i have to ask because they promote more than anyone else yet again only conservatives are targeted.

    again they will sue the IRS for the decision it will go to court and they will win.
    No, they won't win, because they violated the rules for a 501c3 organization. Media Matters, which is partially funded by George Soros qualifies for 501c3 because they provide education to the public at no cost and the do not engage in politics. If you are thinking that is unfair, I will tell you the political right's NewsBusters also has a 501c3 exemption for the same reason.

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Perfect example of why there should never be a direct tax.

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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Then why have Soro's 501c3 charities not been shut down for the same reason? hmm i have to ask because they promote more than anyone else yet again only conservatives are targeted.

    again they will sue the IRS for the decision it will go to court and they will win.
    Post the political activity in question that you believe violates the law.
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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is guaranteed to raise the blood pressure of the nation's political right

    The Internal Revenue Service has revoked the tax-exempt status of a conservative-aligned charity for engaging in political activity as far back as the 2004 presidential election — including statements opposing Hillary Clinton for president.

    The Patrick Henry Center for Individual Liberty, based in Manassas, Va., “has shown a pattern of deliberate and consistent intervention in political campaigns” and made “repeated statements supporting or opposing various candidates by expressing its opinion of the respective candidate’s character and qualifications,” according to a written determination released by the IRS Friday.

    Although the name of the group was redacted from the determination, the facts of the case match statements made by the Patrick Henry Center’s founder. A separate IRS noticeconfirms that the Patrick Henry Center’s tax exemption was revoked in February.

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    IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    CNN.com - NAACP chairman calls for Bush's ouster - Jul 12, 2004
    NAACP Chairman Julian Bond called on members of the nation's largest and oldest civil rights organization to boost voter turnout to help oust President Bush.
    Just more proof of selective prosecution. Had the situation above been handled as the one in the OP, the NAACP would have lost it's 501(c)(3) status. I'm pretty sure I can find LOTS more examples of 501(c)(3) groups that target conservatives who are not getting targeted by the IRS.
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    Re: IRS revokes group's tax exemption over anti-Clinton statements

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Then I will be breathlessly awaiting the news that the IRS has removed the tax exempt status of 501(c)3 organizations who endorsed Obama, such as the HSUS.
    You mean small groups like ACORN and moveon.org?
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