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    Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    What a freakin' surprise, Cliven Bundy is a liar when he says "My rights are before the BLM even existed,"

    Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

    Water rights were transferred too, but only to the ranch, not the federally managed land surrounding it. Court records show Bundy family cattle didn't start grazing on that land until 1954.

    The Bureau of Land Management was created 1946, the same year Cliven was born.

    "My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here," Bundy said.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Clearly forged documents.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What a freakin' surprise, Cliven Bundy is a liar when he says "My rights are before the BLM even existed,"
    As usual, the idiot with the biggest mouth has the weakest case. While there are ranchers with valid complaints against the BLM, Bundy is not one of them.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    His rights did exist before the BLM, just like my rights existed before me.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    His rights did exist before the BLM, just like my rights existed before me.
    I like that.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What a freakin' surprise, Cliven Bundy is a liar when he says "My rights are before the BLM even existed,"
    Ancestral rights are irrelevant.The Bundys do not own the property they were grazing thee cattle at and just because someone's ancestor used a place they do not own does not entitle their descendant to use it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    His rights did exist before the BLM, just like my rights existed before me.
    You don't have a right to graze on land you don't own.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You don't have a right to graze on land you don't own.
    When the G lied about the turtles, they lost their sympathy from me.
    They would have also gotten a lot farther with a brace of attorneys then armed BLM officers playing SWAT.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Ancestral rights are irrelevant.The Bundys do not own the property they were grazing thee cattle at and just because someone's ancestor used a place they do not own does not entitle their descendant to use it.
    Funny though, they put Al Capone in prison without a fight. But Cliven Bundy they need to go after with AR15s? Please.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    When the G lied about the turtles, they lost their sympathy from me.
    What part of: "You have no right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you" are you arguing against? Does your lack of sympathy suddenly give you a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you?

    I have no sympathy for my neighbor's economic situation. Do I have a right to sit in his kitchen and eat his food? No.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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