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Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

CRUE CAB said:
The turtle is/was relevant and all fed agencies have to follow endangered ,now threatened, species rulings. You just cant make them up as you go, like they tried.
But you tell me why it went the way it did, unlike 99% of other tax issues. Leans and such, not armed federal agents on your property.
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Was he convicted and evicted based on violating the endanged species laws?
 
mac said:
Really...unless you can show me the American people's flag. I would expect you to understand the difference though.
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Please explain the difference between the American Flag the US Government flag and the American people's flag.
 
CRUE CAB said:
The turtle is/was relevant and all fed agencies have to follow endangered ,now threatened, species rulings. You just cant make them up as you go, like they tried.
But you tell me why it went the way it did, unlike 99% of other tax issues. Leans and such, not armed federal agents on your property.
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"April 6, 2014: Cliven Bundy's 37-year-old son is arrested for "refusing to disperse" and resisting arrest. He was released the following day. His face is covered with scratches from fighting the feds. Before he left the detention center, authorities gave him a tuna fish sandwich. "It wasn’t poison," he said. "I just ate it.”

The Nevada Cattlemen’s Association distances itself from protests over Bundy's cattle. “Nevada Cattlemen’s Association does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter."

April 9, 2014: Two of Bundy's family members are injured in a confrontation with federal officials. One of them was Bundy's son, tasered after he kicked a police dog. "I'm almost getting mad enough to swear," Bundy says. "The one thing we're going to do is stay cool and we're gonna fight."

April 10, 2014: A protest camp has formed. There is a sign at the entrance that reads, "MILITA SIGHN IN."


Traveling from as close as St. George — and as far as Montana — a mix of characters waved picket signs at an encampment just before a bridge over the Virgin River, protesting the BLM’s campaign.

“This is a better education than being in school! I’m glad I brought you. I’m a good mom,” said Ilona Ence, a 49-year-old mother from St. George and Bundy relative who brought her four teenage kids to the ranch. “They’re learning about the Constitution.”

... Jack Faught, Bundy’s first cousin, drove his forest green 1929 Chevy truck from Mesquite loaded with water and Gatorade.

“It’s not about the cows,” he said. “It’s about the freedom to make our own choices close to home.”

Polo Parra, a 27-year-old tattoo artist from Las Vegas, even showed up with two of his friends to support the rancher. Dressed in baggy clothes and covered in tattoos, the group carried signs that read “TYRANNY IS ALIVE” and “WHERE’S THE JUSTICE?” in red spray-painted letters.

One of Parra’s friends, who would not share his name, had a pistol tucked in his waistband.

“I think it’s bull, and it really made me mad,” said Parra, who decided to make the trip when he heard about the violence that broke out on the ranch. “This isn’t about no turtles or cows.”

One protester, a former Arizona sheriff named Richard Mack, told Fox News about the militia's plans if violence broke out in Bunkerville. “We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

April 12, 2014: BLM decides not to enforce their court order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."

The Bundy son who was tasered said, "We won the battle." He told another outlet, “The people have the power when they unite. The war has just begun.”

April 14, 2014: BLM also pledges that this isn't done. A spokesperson for the bureau said this Sunday, "The door isn't closed. We'll figure out how to move forward with this."

Some of Bundy's neighbors aren't impressed by his actions. "I feel that the rule of law supersedes armed militias coming in from all over the country to stand with a law-breaking rancher, which is what he is," one person told a local TV station."

As a general rule, most federal officers are armed. The increased armed presence did not occur until they felt threatened and added protection from the militia into the mix.
 
WCH said:
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I have a major problem with the rules,regs, conditions set forth and for who they actually benefit unlike you people who think our FedGov is omnipotent.
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I honestly couldn't care less about what you have a problem with or no sympathy for; you still have no right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you.
Regardless of who the land belongs to or is managed by - this fact will remain: You don't have a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you. :shrug:
 
shrubnose said:
What flag does the U.S. Govt. use?
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The government doesn't have a flag. The country has a flag. The government is merely a part of the country. We could switch out the government tomorrow and the flag would remain the same.
 
CRUE CAB said:
You clearly know nothing about cattle owning. Herding or raising.
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So you are saying cattle ranches in other parts of the US feed their cattle on other people's land?
 
CRUE CAB said:
They originally homesteaded a ranch in 1877. Rights to water and grazing followed to other areas where the rancher moved to. What part of that dont you understand. Or, just for arguement. Lets say you are right, and they have been there since 1946. What difference does it make? He feels the charges are unconstitutional based on its a state rights issue and not a fed issue.
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Whoa there.. grazing rights don't "follow to other areas where the rancher move to"... that's not how they work.. especially with water.

You have mentioned multiple times how the "blm has changed the rules".. I would like to see evidence of that. Bundy hasn't paid in years for land he has been grazing.
 
Gill said:
All beef are grass fed until they go to the feed lot. At the feed lot they are fed grain for a set amount of time and then slaughtered. That's why it's called a feed lot.
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Not all beef are grass fed. Some operations go directly to milk and then transition to grain mixtures. usually the highest quality meat or veal operations.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Its called civil disobedience. Bet you were all behind the OWS scum that took over down town NYC.
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Not paying land usage fees for two decades is "civil dosobedience"?
 
Jerry said:
I don't get the reference.
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Senator Warren claimed minority status when applying to and working at Harvard in order to gain preferential treatment for years - apparently on the basis that women in her family had high cheeckbones and someone had once told her that somewhere back there one of her ancestors was a Cherokee.
 
NIMBY said:
You can always tell when righties are getting nervous over Sen. Warren--they start derailing any thread with lies about her personal history.
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:lol: nervous? No, I'd love to see Hillary have to fight off a real challenge.

Furthermore, Warren actually impressed me recently. I think there is some definite room for a notable Republican or two to crossover and work with her on some fairly important legislation.

Please continue to defend scofflaw Bundy and his militia cowards like this until election day.
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Naw, he's breaking the law. As we constantly have to remind our liberal friends, the rule of law is important.

But I tell you what. How about as a matter of priorities we worry about deploying the SWAT teams oh, say, more border-ish than cow-ish, now that we are in agreement about the importance of the Rule of Law?
 
Hatuey said:
I honestly couldn't care less about what you have a problem with or no sympathy for; you still have no right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you.
Regardless of who the land belongs to or is managed by - this fact will remain: You don't have a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you. :shrug:
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You can keep repeating and highlighting that all you wish but, the taxpayers own that land.

Last I heard the Bundys are not being prosecuted for tax evasion.
 
WCH said:
You can keep repeating and highlighting that all you wish but, the taxpayers own that land.

Last I heard the Bundys are not being prosecuted for tax evasion.
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I'm going to go plant some corn in Central Park. I'm a taxpayer, after all.
 
Kobie said:
I'm going to go plant some corn in Central Park. I'm a taxpayer, after all.
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If the city of New York doesn't have a problem with it neither do I. ;)

I thought you were in western NY?
 
WCH said:
If the city of New York doesn't have a problem with it neither do I. ;)

I thought you were in western NY?
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I am, not that it's any concern of yours.
 
Jerry said:
Liens can't be ignored. The IRS just takes the money out of your accounts.
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What part about he's still on the land don't you get?

If they don't respect due process, yeah, shoot them down.
The whole reason we have the second amendment is to retain the right to kill governments who act tyrannical.
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Take your 2A rants of advocating shooting Government officials to the gun forum where you get away with that ****.

Oh grow up.
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You need to get a grip on how far you advocate shooting government officials down.
That being said, if the government begins acting apropriotly and following due process, and the 'milita' creates an armed resistance, I will volunteer to be sent in a Guard unit to kill them for insurrection. If you think your 'milita' of old fat retirees stands a chance against belt-fed grenade launchers and .50cal machine guns from MRAPS, good luck. It ain't nothin I haven't already seen in Afghanistan.
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Who are you to decide unilaterally as an individual what is legal.
That is up to the courts, and the USSC is on the righties side.

What is it with you about wanting to get in a shooting war with anyone, just because you served?
That's par for the course with the minority of you people who feel "entitled" because of service.
You may want to get counseling for the manure you're spreading here.
Whoever is acting within the law is in the right, but so far as I can tell both sides are braking the rules.
Let them duke it out in the desert, then.
Right or wrong, Bundy is going to loose; but so can the state.
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This means you're advocating war--please get help.
....and Harry Ried is a douche regardless.
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Completely unrelated to the rest of your spew, but not unexpected .
 
cpwill said:
Naw, he's breaking the law. As we constantly have to remind our liberal friends, the rule of law is important.
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More intellectually dishonest false equivocation of liberals with breaking the law.
Are you one of Cantor's henchmen?

But I tell you what. How about as a matter of priorities we worry about deploying the SWAT teams oh, say, more border-ish than cow-ish, now that we are in agreement about the importance of the Rule of Law?
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And then a little immigration derail from the GOP apologist who first granted amnesty and then opened the gates to illegals during GWB .
 
Jerry said:
The government doesn't have a flag. The country has a flag. The government is merely a part of the country.
We could switch out the government tomorrow
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and the flag would remain the same.
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When you get ready to switch out the government give us a little advance notice, OK?
 
NIMBY said:
More intellectually dishonest false equivocation of liberals with breaking the law.
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Good point - this guy is a nobody breaking the law. Not, you know, a significant government official.

Are you one of Cantor's henchmen?

And then a little immigration derail from the GOP apologist who first granted amnesty and then opened the gates to illegals during GWB .
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WTF? Are you on meds?
 
beefheart said:
Please explain the difference between the American Flag the US Government flag and the American people's flag.
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First, if it were a US govt flag it would have to meet very specific parameters in accordance with US law. Very few flags in public use meet that. Second, it is the flag of the people of the united states...it represents the people and the nation, not the govt; the people that comprise the govt...not the government itself as an entity in and of itself. Lastly, every organ of the US govt has it's own flag....those are govt flags as they represent that particular dept...not the American people as a whole.

But yeah, you don't get it.
 
cpwill said:
Good point - this guy is a nobody breaking the law. Not, you know, a significant government official.



WTF? Are you on meds?
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Obviously not on meds...
 
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