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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am pretty sure that we drove up to the grazing land in question with a couple thousand cows to graze on the land the Bundys would be screaming bloody murder over any of us using the land.
    Have they?
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Right, until a 1,000 lb cow steps on them.
    Or maybe a Bison?
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am pretty sure that we drove up to the grazing land in question with a couple thousand cows to graze on the land the Bundys would be screaming bloody murder over any of us using the land.
    Thing is you may not have heard but, They have driven off ALL the other ranchers. He is pretty much he last one in that area, guess you dont care that they are driving away food producers though huh?

    But hey beef prices just hit an all time high! nothing to see here

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Right, until a 1,000 lb cow steps on them.
    Seems the tortoise and cows have coexisted so far. Might want to research agenda 21 a bit see what is really going on.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

    says here they owned 160 acres.

    http://www.publicland.org/35_archive...ist_record.pdf

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    GRAZING SERVICE 1934
    -
    1946
    Grazing Service was established as the Division of Grazing in the Department of the Interior in
    1934, to implement the Taylor Grazing Act's provisions for authorizing livestock grazing on the
    public domain lands in 10 western states
    . It was renamed the Grazing Service in 1939, but
    continued to operate as part of the Office of the Secretary of the I
    nterior until July 11, 1944, when
    it was established as an operating Bureau
    in
    the Department. In 1941, the Grazing Service
    headquarters was moved from Washington, DC to Salt Lake City, Utah, a temporary arrangement
    during World War II.
    The Grazing Servi
    ce operated until July 16
    ,
    1946, when it and the General Land Office were
    combined into the new Bureau of Land Management. It

    s grazing functions were then performed
    by a Branch of Range Management in the new Bureau of Land Management


    Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Taylor Grazing Act of 1934[1] (P.L. 73-482) is a United States federal law that provides for the regulation of grazing on the public lands (excluding Alaska) to improve rangeland conditions and regulate their use.

    The law initially permitted 80,000,000 ac (32,000,000 ha) of previously unreserved public lands of the United States to be placed into grazing districts to be administered by the Department of the Interior. As amended, the law now sets no limit on the amount of lands in grazing districts. Currently, there are approximately 162,000,000 ac (65,600,000 ha) inside grazing allotments.


    I for one am torn on this issue. It is by Executive order that they are charged to use the land 1986. I for one think its wrong to decry by executive fiat any LAWS,FINES or TAX by executive order, thats congress or the houses job not the military leaders job.

    ONE the ranchers already pay taxes to the federal government in land tax and then when they sell the beef. Often times they also maintain that land for use for the cattle.

    TWO we the people pay taxes into the federal coffers. Why not help the American people with cheaper beef prices by helping the those ranchers.

    Three The land belongs to the federal government by law. I just do not understand why they try to make it so difficult on any American citizen.

    http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshal...7_12032007.pdf

    Federal Land Ownership:
    Constitutional Authority and the History of
    Acquisition, Disposal and Retention

    This explains it pretty clearly.


    Pretty obvious the federal .gov is no longer for we the people.
    So by executive order under Reagan? Interesting.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    "in your family" means owned to most people. WTF? Additionally did you not read the OP, his family have been on their 160 acres since 1948. hardly close to the 1800s you try to claim.
    They originally homesteaded a ranch in 1877. Rights to water and grazing followed to other areas where the rancher moved to. What part of that dont you understand. Or, just for arguement. Lets say you are right, and they have been there since 1946. What difference does it make? He feels the charges are unconstitutional based on its a state rights issue and not a fed issue.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Too bad those who are so outraged aren't as outraged at welfare freeloaders, or workmans comp freeloaders, or healthcare freeloaders....
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    They originally homesteaded a ranch in 1877. Rights to water and grazing followed to other areas where the rancher moved to. What part of that dont you understand. Or, just for arguement. Lets say you are right, and they have been there since 1946. What difference does it make? He feels the charges are unconstitutional based on its a state rights issue and not a fed issue.
    I don't give a **** what he "feels." He's still breaking the law.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Thing is you may not have heard but, They have driven off ALL the other ranchers. He is pretty much he last one in that area, guess you dont care that they are driving away food producers though huh?
    You mean they stopped ranchers from grassing off of public land.

    But hey beef prices just hit an all time high! nothing to see here
    The Bundy is raising grass fed beef. Most beef is grain fed. Bundy amounts to the dirty hippies who raise free range chickens and charging several bucks or more for a dozen eggs.So if you are buying beef from a regular grocery store it is grain fed.What the average person pays for beef is not being effected by closing public lands to grazing.
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