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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If I raised your rent, based on a lie. How would you react?
    I would move. It doesn't matter why the landlord raised the rent.It is the landlord's right to raise rent.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    There are way too many here who don't understand government over-reach (or they flat out support it)

    Bundy didn't just wake up one mkrning and decide he wasn't going to pay fees any longer, he was intimidated by that constant noise of what he considered to be tyranny. That noise has only gotten louder for.us all.
    Do you have a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you?
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's fun to watch the regular pro-gun bullies complain that the same tactics used on low income families are being used on ranchers who won't pay to graze on federal lands.
    What does pro gun have to do with it. Or I guess we are just going to move the goal posts all over the board. Typical.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I would move. It doesn't matter why the landlord raised the rent.It is the landlord's right to raise rent.
    Not an option for the Bundy.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.He has been using property that isn't his for twenty years without paying rent.It didn't work when they told him to stop grazing cattle on land he didn't own.Hopefully they do sieze his cattle to pay back fees and penalties.

    2.I realize in the minds of anti-2nd amendment trash AR15s are intimidating,but anyone else a AR15 is no more intimidating than any other firearm.If they were using hand guns, shot guns or some other type of firearm the Bundy supporters would have still bitched.

    3.I am pretty sure that if anyone else stopped paying rent and refused to leave the property the landlord will show up with armed law enforcement to remove your ass and possibly toss you in jail and you would be lucky if you got back any of your belongings on the property. So the fact the BLM showed up with guns is irrelevant.
    Add to that, contempt of court. If you or I decided we were not going to obey a court order, we would be arrested and jailed. That'll probably be round two when the government returns.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    As usual, the idiot with the biggest mouth has the weakest case.
    While there are ranchers with valid complaints against the BLM, Bundy is not one of them.



    Obviously Bundy doesn't respect the U.S. Govt. so why is he in so many pictures with a U.S. Govt. flag, you know, the one with the stars and stripes all over it?

    Why doesn't he get his own flag?

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If I raised your rent, based on a lie. How would you react?



    It depends on the total situation.

    I might hire a lawyer and take you to court.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Rent can be raised based on whatever the owner wants to raise it for. Hell, the owner doesn't even have to rent it to you to begin with. And even if he did tell you a lie in order to raise it,
    NOTHING GIVES YOU A RIGHT TO SQUAT ON THEIR PROPERTY.



    What if I have a signed contract which states that the rent price will stay the same for a certain period of time?

    That changes things, eh?

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    What does pro gun have to do with it. Or I guess we are just going to move the goal posts all over the board. Typical.
    If the government came to your house and decided to take your guns based on the same standards you're using as your argument, would you have a problem with it? Again, this is somebody - showing up on someone's property and deciding they don't have to pay to use it or abide by any regulation to use it. If the government can't show up at your house and take your guns (property) and use it as it see fits, what gives this man the right to show up on government property and graze as he sees fit? Your refusal to even try and argue that this land belongs to him is what's really telling that you have no clue what this case is even about.

    So here is my last question: DOES THIS LAND BELONG TO THIS MAN? If it does, argument over. He can graze as he sees fit. If it doesn't, REGARDLESS of who it belongs to, the conclusion is: He has no right to graze in it.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    I own a ranch. I run cattle. The blm can certainly be a pain to deal with.. no doubt. However, there is no better deal when it comes to ranching than to run on blm ground.

    Bundy chose to run cattle on land that was not his.. did so for years.. and decided not to pay the rent that was due for years. the government tried to get him to pay, they took him to court, they did everything reasonable to collect what was due and what every other law abiding rancher does. Bundy chose not to follow the law and tried to get a free ride.
    I have no sympathy for him. We don't need anymore dead beat ranchers defining our industry.

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