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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
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    The turtle was relevant. 90% of Bundy's land allotment was taken away in 1993 and he was limited to 150 cows on the Bunkerville Allotment where Bundy grazed most of his cattle. Bunkerville and another allotment area were closed to protect the desert tortoise.

    That's what started the whole mess.
    No. The Federal government managing Federal lands via the BLM [for what ever reason] did not cause CB not ignore the directives of BLM. The turtle did not cause CB to ingnore a BLM directive. He did that all on his crappy self.

    The turtle or any other exterior reason for the BLM management of the lands is irrelevant.

    100% of the Federal land allotted bundy could have been revoked...what does that matter.[rhetorical]


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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    I no longer support him, or the actions of the government on him.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    So it's ok to use militias to defend freeloading if the circumstances met your personal preferences?
    It's okay to show the federal government that heavy handed brown shirt tactics doesn't automatically mean people fold under the pressure.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    do you have a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you?
    Don't know. I'm not hungry.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I no longer support him, or the actions of the government on him.
    Well this was quiet. So what do you support?
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I no longer support him, or the actions of the government on him.
    but you supported him in the beginning? why?
    and you removed your support, why?

    I am just curious.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    No. The Federal government managing Federal lands via the BLM [for what ever reason] did not cause CB not ignore the directives of BLM. The turtle did not cause CB to ingnore a BLM directive. He did that all on his crappy self.

    The turtle or any other exterior reason for the BLM management of the lands is irrelevant.

    100% of the Federal land allotted bundy could have been revoked...what does that matter.[rhetorical]
    I'll use smaller words........

    1. In 1993, the BLM closed 90% of Bundy's grazing allotment due to concerns about the desert tortoise.

    2. Bundy got pissed and refuse to pay the federal grazing fees.

    No one said the turtle caused Bundy to ignore a BLM directive. You said the turtles had nothing to do with the situation and I simply pointed out that you are wrong.

    No one said Bundy was justified in not paying the grazing fees he owed.

    You are being deliberately obtuse.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    What a freakin' surprise, Cliven Bundy is a liar when he says "My rights are before the BLM even existed,"
    Outside of Title to land, there is no such thing as 'ancestral rights'. If Bundy does not have Title to the land, his ancestral rights are already exactly zero, even if his family had grazed the land since before the Republic.

    We, the public through our representative in government, decide what beneficial use the land ought to be put to. If we think grazing, great, let even idiots like Bundy graze their cattle. If we decide turtles, then that is indeed our prerogative as owners of the land. Sorry, idiot Bundy and family, that is the risk you take when you don't own something. Plan ahead for it.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Of course he's still on his land, he still owns it. You don't have to physically posses land to get the value of the lien. It's just money, which is just numbers in a bank computer. You don't need physical possession of an asset in order to have some of those numbers transferred to you.

    All this is is a rancher refusing to pay fees for using land he doesn't own. This whole thing can be resolved without either side bullying the other, but both sides are being retarded instead.
    Exactly. A mortgage on your property is a lien. Placing a lien on Bundy's property doesn't mean he has to vacate. He will have to vacate if the Feds are given title to it, which they have not been, nor I suspect will they be given.

    You can say a lot of things about Bundy, but can't make the claim that he has to leave the property if a lien is put on it by Uncle Sam.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    So all this land that the pig government owns,.................what are they doing with it? BLM-it's easy to work there when they do nothing with their property except monitor the fences.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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