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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You certainly seem confused. What is your bold assertion based on? The 47% comment, made by Romney, referred to the lack of political "selling power" of federal income tax cuts for those that now pay none - the same reason that Obama opted for a SS tax withholding "holiday" instead as a stimulus. If one now pays ZERO federal income tax then a proposed federal income tax rate cut means absolutely ZERO to them.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Of course he's still on his land, he still owns it.
    Not if there is the lean you talked about.
    You don't have to physically posses land to get the value of the lien. It's just money, which is just numbers in a bank computer. You don't need physical possession of an asset in order to have some of those numbers transferred to you.
    You go with that Jerry--meanwhile he's still on the land--a squatter.
    All this is is a rancher refusing to pay fees for using land he doesn't own.
    This whole thing can be resolved without either side bullying the other, but both sides are being retarded instead.
    Only one side is being retarded, using your words.
    None of us have ever seen a case like this, which wouldn't have happened without the scofflaw.
    Calling the government retarded is just more of "government hatred", as you guys would say with gun haters .
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    In a very simplified nutshell:

    Someone is trying to skip out on the check.
    The proprietor has security.
    Security stops this someone and demands payment.
    This someone decides to punch security (who is a bouncer in a bar at night), and gets his ass beat.
    The culprit pulls a gun and threatens the bouncer.
    The bouncer lets the guy leave rather than risk violence in the eatery.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Not if there is the lean you talked about.
    A lien doesn't transfer ownership. It's just a financial claim on the property. What is a Property Lien? | Nolo.com If the Fed puts a lien on the property, then when Bundy Sr. dies his family can't inherit the land until they pay the lien. Don't pay the lien then Nevada takes ownership of the property, pays the lien to the Fed to clear the deed, and sells it (or keeps it and folds it into the BLM bwahahahaa). Super simple.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A lien doesn't transfer ownership. It's just a financial claim on the property. What is a Property Lien? | Nolo.com If the Fed puts a lien on the property, then when Bundy Sr. dies his family can't inherit the land until they pay the lien. Don't pay the lien then Nevada takes ownership of the property, pays the lien and sells it (or keeps it and folds it into the BLM bwahahahaa). Super simple.
    Yes Jerry--super simple to you is Bundy stays on the land and sets legal precedent.
    And the armed militias get bolder--you don't see a problem with that either .
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    The culprit pulls a gun and threatens the bouncer.
    The bouncer lets the guy leave rather than risk violence in the eatery.
    The problem is the guy won't leave and he still has his gun pulled.
    He's still grazing and he's using the mainstream/FOX media as the useful idiots they are .
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yes Jerry--super simple to you is Bundy stays on the land and sets legal precedent.
    And the armed militias get bolder--you don't see a problem with that either .
    Yeah, the legal precedent would be "don't pay the Fed and they'll put a lien on your property" just like they do with taxes.

    Put a lien on the property and walk away. That's what the Fed should do. Bundy should pay the bill. Neither side is doing the right thing, so I have sympathy for neither.

    Besides, if a militia becomes a problem the first thing the Fed will do is freeze all their assets (the Patriot Act is good for that sort of thing) which will be especially effective on those who rely on ObamaCare, Medicare or other government hand-out, the Guard makes a perimeter miles out from the property, cutting them off from the world. Then the leaflets of propaganda get dropped in we wait. The pragmatists will give up and surrender, the idealists will drink cool-aid, we'll have a few more threads about it and move on to the next issue of the day.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jrsaindo View Post
    i won't explain why the gov't. Is wrong, but you won't care to hear it and that would require going back a couple decades. Freedoms have eroded for years because of constitutional provisions to give the feds more and more power to do what they want, when they want, without question. Question the authority and you go to jail, as they tried here. Well, people are starting to get sick of overreach of a federal gov't. Who has appointed officials that only want to make a quick buck. The states should be the ultimate authority here, not the feds. This is another story of a money trail of corruption and back door deals.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That makes Bundy part of the 47% of freeloaders that Republicans despise.......

    Right now, I am so confused.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If the Feds came after me because I was stealing, I wouldn't like it, but the Feds would be right. And no, nobody would give a ****, and rightfully so.
    You're right. No one gives a ****.
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