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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What part of: "You have no right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you" are you arguing against? Does your lack of sympathy suddenly give you a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you?

    I have no sympathy for my neighbor's economic situation. Do I have a right to sit in his kitchen and eat his food? No.
    Apples and oranges.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Funny though, they put Al Capone in prison without a fight. But Cliven Bundy they need to go after with AR15s? Please.
    1.He has been using property that isn't his for twenty years without paying rent.It didn't work when they told him to stop grazing cattle on land he didn't own.Hopefully they do sieze his cattle to pay back fees and penalties.

    2.I realize in the minds of anti-2nd amendment trash AR15s are intimidating,but anyone else a AR15 is no more intimidating than any other firearm.If they were using hand guns, shot guns or some other type of firearm the Bundy supporters would have still bitched.

    3.I am pretty sure that if anyone else stopped paying rent and refused to leave the property the landlord will show up with armed law enforcement to remove your ass and possibly toss you in jail and you would be lucky if you got back any of your belongings on the property. So the fact the BLM showed up with guns is irrelevant.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Apples and oranges.
    How so? Bundy stopped paying rent,therefor he lost the privilege he had to use that land. This is no different than someone living in a home or using property they stopped paying rent at.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How so? Bundy stopped paying rent,therefor he lost the privilege he had to use that land. This is no different than someone living in a home or using property they stopped paying rent at.
    If I raised your rent, based on a lie. How would you react?

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Apples and oranges.
    Hahaha, I'll take your inability to respond as a sign of not having an argument. Again, what part of you not having sympathy for the government gives you the right to graze on land that DOESN'T belong to you? None. I have no sympathy for most people. Do I get to use their possession as I see fit? I have no sympathy for the conservative right wing. Can I graffiti the RNC's headquarters? No. You not having sympathy doesn't really do anything to discredit the facts that:

    1. This man is grazing on land that doesn't belong to him.
    2. Ignorant self proclaimed constitutionalist bullies like yourself are standing up for him (to stick it to the government) and in doing so are contradicting your own positions on private property.
    3. You have no claim to lands that belongs to either the feds or the state.
    4. If the state had been managing these lands, HE WOULD STILL BE ILLEGALLY GRAZING ON THESE LANDS.

    Standing up for this guy essentially means that you are effectively endorsing the complete discard of property laws. From now on, any party that is barred from using another party's from private property can simply counter with "I have no sympathy for you".
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If I raised your rent, based on a lie. How would you react?
    Rent can be raised based on whatever the owner wants to raise it for. Hell, the owner doesn't even have to rent it to you to begin with. And even if he did tell you a lie in order to raise it, NOTHING GIVES YOU A RIGHT TO SQUAT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If I raised your rent, based on a lie. How would you react?
    I'd be mad. But if I further refused to leave, I'd have the sheriff ousting me and my belongings, and if I raised a gun against the sheriff, I'd be in jail or dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'd be mad. But if I further refused to leave, I'd have the sheriff ousting me and my belongings, and if I raised a gun against the sheriff, I'd be in jail or dead.
    It's fun to watch the regular pro-gun bullies complain that the same tactics used on low income families are being used on ranchers who won't pay to graze on federal lands.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    If I raised your rent, based on a lie. How would you react?
    There are way too many here who don't understand government over-reach (or they flat out support it)

    Bundy didn't just wake up one mkrning and decide he wasn't going to pay fees any longer, he was intimidated by that constant noise of what he considered to be tyranny. That noise has only gotten louder for.us all.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's fun to watch the regular pro-gun bullies complain that the same tactics used on low income families are being used on ranchers who won't pay to graze on federal lands.
    I've been aware of that from the beginning. I was yelling at Chris Hayes last week when he interviewed some yahoo woman candidate who was at the "winners" rally they gave. She kept saying something akin to, "yeah but when armed police show up and take your cattle, where do we live in Russia? Armed men don't boot people off land," and Chris never once pointed out that it happens all the time in foreclosures and rent evictions. He's usually pretty good at bringing things like that up, and he just totally flaked, imo. I rarely yell at the tv, but I was that day.
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