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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Hahaha, I'll take your inability to respond as a sign of not having an argument. Again, what part of you not having sympathy for the government gives you the right to graze on land that DOESN'T belong to you? None. I have no sympathy for most people. Do I get to use their possession as I see fit? I have no sympathy for the conservative right wing. Can I graffiti the RNC's headquarters? No. You not having sympathy doesn't really do anything to discredit the facts that:

    1. This man is grazing on land that doesn't belong to him.
    2. Ignorant self proclaimed constitutionalist bullies like yourself are standing up for him (to stick it to the government) and in doing so are contradicting your own positions on private property.
    3. You have no claim to lands that belongs to either the feds or the state.
    4. If the state had been managing these lands, HE WOULD STILL BE ILLEGALLY GRAZING ON THESE LANDS.

    Standing up for this guy essentially means that you are effectively endorsing the complete discard of property laws. From now on, any party that is barred from using another party's from private property can simply counter with "I have no sympathy for you".
    I won't explain why the gov't. is wrong, but you won't care to hear it and that would require going back a couple decades. Freedoms have eroded for years because of constitutional provisions to give the feds more and more power to do what they want, when they want, without question. Question the authority and you go to jail, as they tried here. Well, people are starting to get sick of overreach of a federal gov't. who has appointed officials that only want to make a quick buck. The states should be the ultimate authority here, not the feds. This is another story of a money trail of corruption and back door deals.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What if I have a signed contract which states that the rent price will stay the same for a certain period of time?

    That changes things, eh?
    Bundy had a signed contract? If he did, I would bet it included some form of compensation for the land use.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    The turtle is irrelevant. The reason for the eviction does not have to be any other than the lease is up and over.

    I can almost guarrantee that their is no provision in BLM regulations that suspension of leases has to be because of violation of any law protecting endangerd species.

    If that was the bases for the judicial reasoning for the eviction, please cite the ruling...I would love to read it.
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    The turtle was relevant. 90% of Bundy's land allotment was taken away in 1993 and he was limited to 150 cows on the Bunkerville Allotment where Bundy grazed most of his cattle. Bunkerville and another allotment area were closed to protect the desert tortoise.

    That's what started the whole mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Bundy had a signed contract? If he did, I would bet it included some form of compensation for the land use.



    That sounds likely to me.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Funny though, they put Al Capone in prison without a fight. But Cliven Bundy they need to go after with AR15s? Please.
    Interesting analogy. Clearly Al Capone respected the rule of law. Though he made is living playing outside of the law, he had sufficient respect for it that when he was caught he went silently. Bundy seems to have no respect for the rule of law.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by JRSaindo View Post
    I won't explain why the gov't. is wrong, but you won't care to hear it and that would require going back a couple decades. Freedoms have eroded for years because of constitutional provisions to give the feds more and more power to do what they want, when they want, without question. Question the authority and you go to jail, as they tried here. Well, people are starting to get sick of overreach of a federal gov't. who has appointed officials that only want to make a quick buck. The states should be the ultimate authority here, not the feds. This is another story of a money trail of corruption and back door deals.
    Please do.... please explain this to the civilized community. This guy has taken a position that is mind-boogling. I would love to hear an articulate and compelling argument as to why he shouldn't be sued for back payment or even locked up for trespass.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    These militia 'patriots' need a better poster boy.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    So it's ok to use militias to defend freeloading if the circumstances met your personal preferences?
    That makes Bundy part of the 47% of freeloaders that Republicans despise.......

    Right now, I am so confused.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, you enjoy seeing heavily armed government LEO, go after your neighbors eh? pathetic....Wait til they come for you, and no one gives a ****.

    If the Feds came after me because I was stealing, I wouldn't like it, but the Feds would be right. And no, nobody would give a ****, and rightfully so.
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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That makes Bundy part of the 47% of freeloaders that Republicans despise.......

    Right now, I am so confused.
    You certainly seem confused. What is your bold assertion based on? The 47% comment, made by Romney, referred to the lack of political "selling power" of federal income tax cuts for those that now pay none - the same reason that Obama opted for a SS tax withholding "holiday" instead as a stimulus. If one now pays ZERO federal income tax then a proposed federal income tax rate cut means absolutely ZERO to them.
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