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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how he has been using public lands to graze his cattle on the property he has is insufficient in raising cattle.How long he alleges that his family had the property for is irrelevant. When businesses expand they often move if the property is insufficient, they just do not build onto their neighbors without permission.
    You clearly know nothing about cattle owning. Herding or raising.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't give a **** what he "feels." He's still breaking the law.

    Wesley Snipes felt like he shouldn't have to pay taxes, and he got to feel his feelings for three years in a prison cell.
    Its called civil disobedience. Bet you were all behind the OWS scum that took over down town NYC.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Most of those freeloaders aren't using militias to defend their right to freeload.
    Perhaps the government should have thought of that before sending in the heavy handed 200 federalies.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But that is not what the G is claiming. They based much of their latest actions on a turtle. Which is a lie.
    The turtle is irrelevant. The reason for the eviction does not have to be any other than the lease is up and over.

    I can almost guarrantee that their is no provision in BLM regulations that suspension of leases has to be because of violation of any law protecting endangerd species.

    If that was the bases for the judicial reasoning for the eviction, please cite the ruling...I would love to read it.


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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    The turtle is irrelevant. The reason for the eviction does not have to be any other than the lease is up and over.

    I can almost guarrantee that their is no provision in BLM regulations that suspension of leases has to be because of violation of any law protecting endangerd species.

    If that was the bases for the judicial reasoning for the eviction, please cite the ruling...I would love to read it.
    The turtle is/was relevant and all fed agencies have to follow endangered ,now threatened, species rulings. You just cant make them up as you go, like they tried.
    But you tell me why it went the way it did, unlike 99% of other tax issues. Leans and such, not armed federal agents on your property.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The turtle is/was relevant and all fed agencies have to follow endangered ,now threatened, species rulings. You just cant make them up as you go, like they tried.
    But you tell me why it went the way it did, unlike 99% of other tax issues. Leans and such, not armed federal agents on your property.
    Was he convicted and evicted based on violating the endanged species laws?


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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Really...unless you can show me the American people's flag. I would expect you to understand the difference though.
    Please explain the difference between the American Flag the US Government flag and the American people's flag.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The turtle is/was relevant and all fed agencies have to follow endangered ,now threatened, species rulings. You just cant make them up as you go, like they tried.
    But you tell me why it went the way it did, unlike 99% of other tax issues. Leans and such, not armed federal agents on your property.
    "April 6, 2014: Cliven Bundy's 37-year-old son is arrested for "refusing to disperse" and resisting arrest. He was released the following day. His face is covered with scratches from fighting the feds. Before he left the detention center, authorities gave him a tuna fish sandwich. "It wasn’t poison," he said. "I just ate it.”

    The Nevada Cattlemen’s Association distances itself from protests over Bundy's cattle. “Nevada Cattlemen’s Association does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter."

    April 9, 2014: Two of Bundy's family members are injured in a confrontation with federal officials. One of them was Bundy's son, tasered after he kicked a police dog. "I'm almost getting mad enough to swear," Bundy says. "The one thing we're going to do is stay cool and we're gonna fight."

    April 10, 2014: A protest camp has formed. There is a sign at the entrance that reads, "MILITA SIGHN IN."


    Traveling from as close as St. George — and as far as Montana — a mix of characters waved picket signs at an encampment just before a bridge over the Virgin River, protesting the BLM’s campaign.

    “This is a better education than being in school! I’m glad I brought you. I’m a good mom,” said Ilona Ence, a 49-year-old mother from St. George and Bundy relative who brought her four teenage kids to the ranch. “They’re learning about the Constitution.”

    ... Jack Faught, Bundy’s first cousin, drove his forest green 1929 Chevy truck from Mesquite loaded with water and Gatorade.

    “It’s not about the cows,” he said. “It’s about the freedom to make our own choices close to home.”

    Polo Parra, a 27-year-old tattoo artist from Las Vegas, even showed up with two of his friends to support the rancher. Dressed in baggy clothes and covered in tattoos, the group carried signs that read “TYRANNY IS ALIVE” and “WHERE’S THE JUSTICE?” in red spray-painted letters.

    One of Parra’s friends, who would not share his name, had a pistol tucked in his waistband.

    “I think it’s bull, and it really made me mad,” said Parra, who decided to make the trip when he heard about the violence that broke out on the ranch. “This isn’t about no turtles or cows.”

    One protester, a former Arizona sheriff named Richard Mack, told Fox News about the militia's plans if violence broke out in Bunkerville. “We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

    April 12, 2014: BLM decides not to enforce their court order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."

    The Bundy son who was tasered said, "We won the battle." He told another outlet, “The people have the power when they unite. The war has just begun.”

    April 14, 2014: BLM also pledges that this isn't done. A spokesperson for the bureau said this Sunday, "The door isn't closed. We'll figure out how to move forward with this."

    Some of Bundy's neighbors aren't impressed by his actions. "I feel that the rule of law supersedes armed militias coming in from all over the country to stand with a law-breaking rancher, which is what he is," one person told a local TV station."


    As a general rule, most federal officers are armed. The increased armed presence did not occur until they felt threatened and added protection from the militia into the mix.

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
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    I have a major problem with the rules,regs, conditions set forth and for who they actually benefit unlike you people who think our FedGov is omnipotent.
    I honestly couldn't care less about what you have a problem with or no sympathy for; you still have no right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you.
    Regardless of who the land belongs to or is managed by - this fact will remain: You don't have a right to graze on land that doesn't belong to you.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Bundy's 'ancestral rights' come under scrutiny

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What flag does the U.S. Govt. use?
    The government doesn't have a flag. The country has a flag. The government is merely a part of the country. We could switch out the government tomorrow and the flag would remain the same.

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