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High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

shrubnose said:
I'd like to see a lot of people on this planet have a lot more than they have now, but I doubt that we will ever all be billionaires.
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If we were all billionaires we would all be broke.

One day the world will be fully automated and robots will provide us all we can possibly want and true, quality equality will reign ... until the robots revolt and kill us all...
 
Ikari said:
But what I wrote doesn't say what you are claiming it says. I didn't say there is a difference, I said there should be a difference. For science sake READ!
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Yes, I know what you said. You said university should be different from college because university has a higher standard. And I proved with more than one example that your claim isn't correct.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yes, I know what you said. You said university should be different from college because university has a higher standard. And I proved with more than one example that your claim isn't correct.
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OMG, it's like pulling teeth. University should be different because it should have the highest standards and most diverse and rigorous course load. I did not say that currently all Universities have higher standards, I said they should have the highest.

Good lord.
 
High Schools can easily get around this by lowering their educational standards for minority children.

Its already happening in Michigan and places like Atlanta.

A 4.0 out of a Atlanta or Detroit High School is not the same as a 4.0 out of a Highschool in Friendswood Texas.

Where the standards are exceptional.
 
Ikari said:
OMG, it's like pulling teeth. University should be different because it should have the highest standards and most diverse and rigorous course load. I did not say that currently all Universities have higher standards, I said they should have the highest.

Good lord.
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Yes, Golden Gate University should have higher standards and more rigorous course loads than Harvard College, the College of William & Mary, Dartmouth College, etc. Of course!
 
polgara said:
Excellent post! :thumbs: This is also why so many people choose to emigrate to this country - to have the chance to improve their lives over what they left behind! I'm thinking of the millions that came through Ellis Island who did just that - and my grandparents from Eastern Europe were among them! They weren't looking for handouts, and none were offered to them, but they worked hard, learned the language, became citizens, and succeeded! I'm proud of every one who did, because it wasn't easy. There were no food stamps and other benefits back then, but they persevered and made it on their own merits!

Gteetings, tres borrachos/ :2wave:
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Good afternoon, polgara!

So right you are.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yes, Golden Gate University should have higher standards and more rigorous course loads than Harvard College, the College of William & Mary, Dartmouth College, etc. Of course!
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If, under the proposed breakup, it wanted to maintain the University title, yes.
 
jmotivator said:
High court upholds Mich. affirmative action ban | The Detroit News

"The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld Michigan’s ban on using race as a factor in college admissions.

The justices said in a 6-2 ruling that Michigan voters had the right to change their state constitution in 2006 to prohibit public colleges and universities from taking account of race in admissions decisions. The justices said a lower federal court was wrong to set aside the change as discriminatory."

Students of all races can now know that they got in to Michigan schools on their merit.
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This is good news.Affirmative action should be banned period.Someone should get in based on their own merit, not because of a mandatory quota.
 
jamesrage said:
This is good news.Affirmative action should
be banned period.Someone should get in based on their own merit, not because of a mandatory quota.
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It allows schools to chose unfortunately.

And there will be schools that will continue to use race and gender ss part of their selection process.
 
Cardinal said:
That's great, but since I was referring to the difficulty of identifying and prosecuting white on black racism what you're saying is beside the point. Affirmative Action was created to address that point, though I think we can all agree that in execution it was always faulty from the start. So how would you identify white on black racism when it happens, or are you too going to say that being somewhat less common than the Loch Ness Monster it's pointless to even discuss?
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I don't think it's difficult to identify overt white on black racism at all. Those cases that we find ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The same goes with black on white racism or black on Hispanic racism or Hispanic on black racism, etc. The problem is, we have large segments of the population who are willing to entirely ignore black on <fill in the blank> racism and only focus on white on black racism.

I say it's all equally as bad and nobody deserves a pass, ever.
 
tres borrachos said:
Harvard fields some outstanding athletics programs. In fact, at last count, they had over 40 Division 1 teams which I think is still the highest in the country. They hold their student athletes to a higher standard than most schools, both when they are incoming and while they are there.
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That is terrific. But lets face it - they certainly are not on a par with the programs of Michigan or Alabama or USC or other big colleges who actively recruit and give full scholarships. Their rep is based on academics - not athletics no matter how respectable they may be in their own right.
 
Cardinal said:
Fantabulous. How does one deal with white on black racism? How does one identify and handle it?
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The same way you handle and deal with black on white racism, by holding it up to the light of day and showing it for what it is.
 
Gipper said:
I'm good with that. I got into and graduated from U of M on academic merit.

I know what you're attempting though. There should be more credence given to someone who was class treasurer or science award winner than just being black.

Look at what someone does instead of what they are. Even someone like you can understand that.
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Or a legacy.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The same way you handle and deal with black on white racism, by holding it up to the light of day and showing it for what it is.
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Black on white or White on Black...one has to determin if the subtle workings can be held up to the light.

so much racism goes undetected in its gentleness and subtlety.
 
haymarket said:
That is terrific. But lets face it - they certainly are not on a par with the programs of Michigan or Alabama or USC or other big colleges who actively recruit and give full scholarships. Their rep is based on academics - not athletics no matter how respectable they may be in their own right.
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Oh I agree. They hold their athletes to a high standard. The super-athletic powerhouses tend not to. Which is why so many of them in Alabama and the others you mention major in basket weaving and come out of college not knowing how to add 2 plus 6.
 
Cephus said:
I don't think it's difficult to identify overt white on black racism at all.
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No one's under any obligation to be overt about their racism. So if a college picks a white student over a black student for racist reasons, and both students are equally qualified, how do you prove it?
 
Dittohead not! said:
The same way you handle and deal with black on white racism, by holding it up to the light of day and showing it for what it is.
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I'll repeat the same question to you I asked Cephus: No one's under any obligation to be overt about their racism. So if a college picks a white student over a black student for racist reasons, and both students are equally qualified, how do you prove it?

How do you "hold it up to the light of day?"
 
1750Texan said:
Black on white or White on Black...one has to determin if the subtle workings can be held up to the light.

so much racism goes undetected in its gentleness and subtlety.
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Yes, it does.

And some of it is pretty obvious, yet ignored.
 
Cardinal said:
I'll repeat the same question to you I asked Cephus: No one's under any obligation to be overt about their racism. So if a college picks a white student over a black student for racist reasons, and both students are equally qualified, how do you prove it?

How do you "hold it up to the light of day?"
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You hold up the qualifications of not just two, but many, applicants. You show that there is a pattern of selecting one particular race despite equal qualifications. You ditch the affirmative action quotas that actually encourage the use of race in the acceptance process.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You hold up the qualifications of not just two, but many, applicants. You show that there is a pattern of selecting one particular race despite equal qualifications. You ditch the affirmative action quotas that actually encourage the use of race in the acceptance process.
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How do you determine how many are too little? What you are talking about is a tacit quota.
 
Gipper said:
From you getting pissed about the revocation of AA.
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I do not know where you get that from as all my comments have been supportive of ending preferences and changing all admissions at all colleges to pure academic merit.
 
Zyphlin said:
While I don't think college sports needs to be removed from the admissions process, I wouldn't shed a tear if it was. But I do think that a large number of universities would fight it tooth and nail. And I think there would be a good chance that many universities would suffer in quality due to the decision, not improve.
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I agree with you that it brings in money and fame. I also agree that big schools would fight my proposal with all their might. But it is still the right thing to do just the same if we believe that the principle should admit only the best and brightest. Those not making into the elite schools would filter on down to the next level and so on.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, it does.

And some of it is pretty obvious, yet ignored.
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I can't speak to what racism is ignored...

Some people don't see racism as others do. Some people don't believe in racism exists at all. some see racism in everything.
 
One way they could eliminate it is by not even asking what someone's race is on a college application.
 
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