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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I read your words:

    University should be exclusive and elitist, the highest benchmark of education and academia with the most diverse and rigorous of requirements. The best and brightest should be selected. For the rest, there's College (which should be different from University),
    You're not understanding the words. University should be elitist, built upon the highest and most diverse of academic standards. College should be below it, offering a more directed and focused education that is less diverse. Community College under that, for associates degree or prep to get into College or University, and below that Trade School designed specifically to teach a trade.

    The question was asked if one would endorse only academic considerations for attendance into university. To which I said yes and that it should be further divided.

    I fear some here need to reacquaint themselves with with their lost friend of reading comprehension.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let us hope that this is simply one step in getting rid OF ALL PREFERENCES in college admissions. And I do mean ALL. If we want to admit the most qualified based on HS GPA and some test scores like the SAT's - then lets use those and let in the best and deny admission to anybody else not making that standard of admission.

    How many here would support that?
    I would. College admission ought to be 100% about grades and not at all about gender, race, sexual orientation or anything else. The best of the best get in.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

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    How many sports lovers would dare walk down that path?
    How many schools would dare walk down their path?

    The philosophy or communications department isn't the thing that brings a ton of money into Michigan and makes them recognizable on a national stage.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I would. College admission ought to be 100% about grades and not at all about gender, race, sexual orientation or anything else. The best of the best get in.
    Which is great when it happens like that. Unfortunately the only thing that's really changed since affirmative action first came into play in 1964 is that racism is really hard to identify. It's not like the good old days when racism when served up on a platter bearing the words "white" and "negro" water fountains. Otherwise we're sort of right back to where we started. Affirmative Action was obviously indefensible on its own merits, black people were always tarnished with the assumption that they only succeeded because of Affirmative Action, and white-on-black racism is pretty much impossible to prove. For black people who were/are the victims of racism it was always a lose/lose scenario.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You're not understanding the words. University should be elitist, built upon the highest and most diverse of academic standards. College should be below it, offering a more directed and focused education that is less diverse. Community College under that, for associates degree or prep to get into College or University, and below that Trade School designed specifically to teach a trade.

    The question was asked if one would endorse only academic considerations for attendance into university. To which I said yes and that it should be further divided.

    I fear some here need to reacquaint themselves with with their lost friend of reading comprehension.
    You don't know the difference between college and university. Harvard College isn't and never will be below Golden Gate University. Or Rutgers University, since I see you live in NJ.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I read your words:

    University should be exclusive and elitist, the highest benchmark of education and academia with the most diverse and rigorous of requirements. The best and brightest should be selected. For the rest, there's College (which should be different from University),
    If not true of students, this is certainly the case with faculty.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    My niece was almost a shoe in at Yale but she knew she wouldn't make the varsity The williams coach-after looking at her GPA (#1 in her class, boards-2250 or so) and her national ranking told her she'd be able to play at Williams and they would let her in. so she went Early Admissions there and was-as he noted-accepted.
    Williams is a great school, as is Amherst which you also mentioned. I went to see Williams but didn't pursue it because I didn't want to go to school in MA.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    High court upholds Mich. affirmative action ban | The Detroit News

    "The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld Michiganís ban on using race as a factor in college admissions.

    The justices said in a 6-2 ruling that Michigan voters had the right to change their state constitution in 2006 to prohibit public colleges and universities from taking account of race in admissions decisions. The justices said a lower federal court was wrong to set aside the change as discriminatory."


    Students of all races can now know that they got in to Michigan schools on their merit.
    It's not new. Since 1978 this has been how the courts have ruled.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

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    Which is great when it happens like that. Unfortunately the only thing that's really changed since affirmative action first came into play in 1964 is that racism is really hard to identify. It's not like the good old days when racism when served up on a platter bearing the words "white" and "negro" water fountains. Otherwise we're sort of right back to where we started. Affirmative Action was obviously indefensible on its own merits, black people were always tarnished with the assumption that they only succeeded because of Affirmative Action, and white-on-black racism is pretty much impossible to prove. For black people who were/are the victims of racism it was always a lose/lose scenario.
    It's not hard to identify, it's very blatantly plain when it's coming from the black community. Of course, liberals refuse to acknowledge that black people can be racist. They seem to think that America will eternally owe black people extra benefits because of something that happened more than 150 years ago.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The key here is ALL admissions based only on academic merit. In the past, some people who have a particular grudge against race based admissions find elaborate ways to excuse or justify other type of preferences. If academic merit is going to be the sole ticket in - lets stick to that for everyone at all colleges.
    Which you must know won't happen. It will simply return to the old system that values legacy or admissions officers whims over merit and diversity will be lost.

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