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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Affirmative action was never about athletics, it was about race.
    yes - and as I have said we should get rid of ALL preferences in admission which violate the basic principle of admitting the best and brightest according to the yardstick we agree upon - and that seems to be HS GPA and SAT scores.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would. University should be exclusive and elitist, the highest benchmark of education and academia with the most diverse and rigorous of requirements.
    You realize that Universities are usually made up of Colleges right?

    Like the The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at Cornell University, a state school that Olbeman tried to pass of as an Ivy League education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So one standard for the common plebeians and a different standard for the rich aristocracy. Sorry - that is no principle I can subscribe to.
    Sorry, but as I stated, a University has to say afloat, and that has to be considered.
    As it really isn't that many, there should be nothing to oppose.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You realize that Universities are usually made up of Colleges right?

    Like the The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at Cornell University, a state school that Olbeman tried to pass of as an Ivy League education.
    You don't say! Wow, well color be shocked. Why all this time in University from B.S. to PhD, I had no idea!
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You realize that Universities are usually made up of Colleges right?

    Like the The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at Cornell University, a state school that Olbeman tried to pass of as an Ivy League education.
    Let's not forget that non-exclusive, non-elite Ivy League school here in NH - Dartmouth College.

    Methinks that poster has no idea what the difference between a "college" and a "university" is. I've been waiting for him to answer my questions.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If the school picks a qualified white candidate over an equally qualified black candidate for racist reasons, there will be no way to prove it.
    If GPA's and Test scores were the primary considerations, you are referencing to a scenario that would only occur at the so-called bottom of the barrel applicants. Which really is an unlikely occurrence.
    But, if GPA's and Test scores is were they equaled then there would be something else that would set them apart and noted.
    Which then could be reviewed.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Haymarket is noticably anti-meritocratic. Athletic talent is merit. Black is not.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You don't say! Wow, well color be shocked. Why all this time in University from B.S. to PhD, I had no idea!


    Well Dr. Ikari, that kind of puts your idea of what "should be" into proper perspective.
    Frankly, all Colleges should be of such rigor.
    Maybe yours wasn't and you realize it.

    By the way, spare me the reference to your Public High School Diploma BS.
    Especially as it doesn't change anything that was said.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Everyone who buys 1 scratch off ticket has the same chance as everyone else who buys 1 ticket. Your 1 ticket equals 1 chance, same as everyone else's.
    Are you sure you went to college? The point I was making is that your chance of winning a fortune from a scratch off ticket is basically 0, so the claim that my friend's story prove anybody can get rich is absurd. And your claim is too. You know a poor, disadvantaged person who wound up succeeding and becoming rich. That proves nothing. 43% of people born into poverty wind up in poverty and I believe that about 70% of people born into poverty wind up in the bottom half of all income earners later in life. See, this is why I'm saying that you're confusing equal opportunity and theoretical opportunity. These statistics show me that there is not equal opportunity, because there is a definite correlation between being born into poverty and being poor as an adult. Is this clear to you?

    10% of white children are classified as impoverished, while almost 30% of black people are classified as impoverished. These children do not have access to the same quality education as more wealthy people. All of this is factual information, not opinion or anecdote. And, ironically, many other countries (such as England) have higher rates of social mobility than the US. So as much as we strive to be the land of equal opportunity, in some ways we're not.

    So, you see, life is like a poker game and we don't all start with the same number of chips. So maybe now you'll understand the difference between equal opportunity and theoretical opportunity. But if you've made it this far in life without comprehending the distinction, why start now, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Are you sure you went to college? The point I was making is that your chance of winning a fortune from a scratch off ticket is basically 0, so the claim that my friend's story prove anybody can get rich is absurd. And your claim is too. You know a poor, disadvantaged person who wound up succeeding and becoming rich. That proves nothing. 43% of people born into poverty wind up in poverty and I believe that about 70% of people born into poverty wind up in the bottom half of all income earners later in life. See, this is why I'm saying that you're confusing equal opportunity and theoretical opportunity. These statistics show me that there is not equal opportunity, because there is a definite correlation between being born into poverty and being poor as an adult. Is this clear to you?

    10% of white children are classified as impoverished, while almost 30% of black people are classified as impoverished. These children do not have access to the same quality education as more wealthy people. All of this is factual information, not opinion or anecdote. And, ironically, many other countries (such as England) have higher rates of social mobility than the US. So as much as we strive to be the land of equal opportunity, in some ways we're not.

    So, you see, life is like a poker game and we don't all start with the same number of chips. So maybe now you'll understand the difference between equal opportunity and theoretical opportunity. But if you've made it this far in life without comprehending the distinction, why start now, right?
    If you buy a ticket, you have the same chance of winning the lottery as any other person who buys a ticket. I'm surprised you don't get that but hey, you brought in the analogy, not me.

    We're all born as Americans, and I've seen Americans from all walks of life fail, and I've seen Americans from all walks of life succeed. I can't help you if you've only seen failure, sorry. I'm not a pessimist. I'm an optimist. I think anyone can do great things - if he sets his mind to it.

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