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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If Obama had been a 4.0 student at columbia, I guarantee he would have made that fact public
    . . . . You think, absent of any evidence.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Apparently not as much as you think.


    Many of you may be asking the logical next question: If the LSAT is so determinative, how did those 24 students get admitted to BC Law? Remember that the LSAT (and GPA) review is just the first step. Based on where your numbers fall relative to the school’s target range, your application is then placed in one of three categories: presumptive admit, presumptive deny, and “everybody else.” In the second step, each application is reviewed based on the category it falls into: The presumptive admits will generally be accepted barring any serious negative information in the file. Likewise, the presumptive denies will generally be rejected unless there is some compelling information in the file—something that makes the candidate stand out as truly extraordinary and worth admitting notwithstanding the negative impact the applicant’s LSAT score will have on the school’s target LSAT range. The majority of applicants at any particular school—the “everybody else” pile— will fall somewhere in the middle of the school’s range. With these candidates, the admission committee explores the rest of the files to see what each individual might bring to the law school community and legal profession, and how s/he fits in with the rest of the incoming class. (For more on what makes a candidate “extraordinary” and on how to demonstrate what you might bring to the table, please see the pages on compiling your overall application profile.)

    Just how important is the LSAT? : LSAT (Law School Admission Test) : UMass Amherst Pre-Law Advising Office

    As I said earlier, such scores weed out, and are just the first step. It is not only conceivable, but likely that even without any race consideration someone with higher scores will lose out to someone with lower scores, even among white males.
    what you are ignoring is that blacks admitted into the very top law schools (BC isn't one of them BTW) had substantially lower scores than more than a thousand whites who were rejected.

    as I noted blacks had .5 added to their GPA (i.e. a black with a 3.3 from say Hamilton College) was treated the same as a white from Hamilton College with a 3.8.



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what you are ignoring is that blacks admitted into the very top law schools (BC isn't one of them BTW) had substantially lower scores than more than a thousand whites who were rejected.

    as I noted blacks had .5 added to their GPA (i.e. a black with a 3.3 from say Hamilton College) was treated the same as a white from Hamilton College with a 3.8.
    No, they too have to fall within the range. After that, other things matter.

    Btw, for me, the difference between 3.3 and 3.8 by itself is meaningless.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they too have to fall within the range. After that, other things matter.

    Btw, for me, the difference between 3.3 and 3.8 by itself is meaningless.
    from the same school its a huge difference: and pretending it means nothing when there are 10,000 students competing for less than 500 spots is idiotic



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    from the same school its a huge difference: and pretending it means nothing when there are 10,000 students competing for less than 500 spots is idiotic
    In terms of skill, it means nothing. The likely had different instructors with different grading standards. There's always som subjectivity. So, such small differences mean very little.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In terms of skill, it means nothing. The likely had different instructors with different grading standards. There's always som subjectivity. So, such small differences mean very little.
    that is moronic to claim that two students from the same school are equally qualified when one has a 3.8 and the other a 3.3

    or when blacks were given 130 points (800 point scale) on the LSAT



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they too have to fall within the range. After that, other things matter.

    Btw, for me, the difference between 3.3 and 3.8 by itself is meaningless.
    Have you never applied to college? .5 on a GPA is a ****ING MOUNTAIN of a difference.

    Why should we not just have college applications without names or races?

    Candidate #2849: 3.9 GPA, X extracurriculurs
    Candidate #2850: 3.8 GPA, X extracurriculurs
    Candidate #2851: 3.7 GPA, X extracurriculurs

    Why does race even need to be on there? Do you not think someone should achieve something based on their merit and not their skin color?
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    his transcript is sealed from columbia-what does that tell you
    and Columbia posted its honors graduates. He wasn't one of them
    If his transcript is sealed, it tells me that we don't know anything about his grades there.

    You're trying to make a point that Obama couldn't have gotten in to Harvard without AA, correct?
    You may be right about that, or not. I don't know. So far, there is no proof showing that he couldn't have been admitted on his own. If he was an honor student after he got there, then that's an indication that he should have been able to get in on his own.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is moronic to claim that two students from the same school are equally qualified when one has a 3.8 and the other a 3.3

    or when blacks were given 130 points (800 point scale) on the LSAT
    Do you suggest professor A is the same as professor B?

    And last I looked, Michigan gave 20 points in their admission scale. Try getting past any bias and address what is said here.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Have you never applied to college? .5 on a GPA is a ****ING MOUNTAIN of a difference.

    Why should we not just have college applications without names or races?

    Candidate #2849: 3.9 GPA, X extracurriculurs
    Candidate #2850: 3.8 GPA, X extracurriculurs
    Candidate #2851: 3.7 GPA, X extracurriculurs

    Why does race even need to be on there? Do you not think someone should achieve something based on their merit and not their skin color?
    Not sure race has to, but other things are, like legacy, which likely favor whites over minorities. If I saw equal outrage, I might be more inclined to agree.

    I also have little concern over exaggerated complaints. Whites have not been run out of college by minorities in any measurable way.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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