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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, there absolutely is value in being exposed to other viewpoints, both in and out of the classroom. You guys always whine about universities being liberal hive minds, after all.
    I'm not arguing against that, I'm saying that it isn't the purpose of education to expose people to other viewpoints, it is the purpose of education to teach the facts. If people want to be exposed to other viewpoints, and I think that's a very good thing, they can do it off school grounds.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not arguing against that, I'm saying that it isn't the purpose of education to expose people to other viewpoints, it is the purpose of education to teach the facts. If people want to be exposed to other viewpoints, and I think that's a very good thing, they can do it off school grounds.

    No, facts are but a part of it. Thinking skills require the ability to see more than one view point. Much of the world functions not one one right answer, but being able see enough answers t find the best one.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The law already says you can't discriminate against someone based on race. It happens anyway. You'd like to give them the power to walk? Yeah, good talking point. Sounds wonderful. Explain how. Explain how someone is supposed to be self-sufficient when even an entry-level, minimum wage job that you can't sustain yourself on is denied to them based on skin color and cultural stigma. Explain how you would level the playing field when the white guy gets a second chance and the black guy doesn't get a first one.
    Where is this happening? Why is it not reported by those discriminated against?

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Where is this happening? Why is it not reported by those discriminated against?
    Some are reported. Some are not. But it happens. I can take you to a diner in Mississippi where if you're not white, you won't get served. They won't throw your out, but somehow you can sit there for hours and never get any food. I found it appalling. Imagine how it would have been in the area if this wasn't illegal? Laws send a message. And if you send the message that discrimination is OK, that evil grows.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Grades and standardized test scores are a great starting point since past performance is a good predictor of future success.
    they are also far more objective than anything else. Look at the nonsense we get from Obama slurpers who try to pretend his race wasn't why he got into harvard



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not arguing against that, I'm saying that it isn't the purpose of education to expose people to other viewpoints, it is the purpose of education to teach the facts. If people want to be exposed to other viewpoints, and I think that's a very good thing, they can do it off school grounds.
    I never saw what value there was to get the viewpoint, in a class room setting, of an inferior student, because of their race

    its like that old joke about clinton's "Diverse" cabinet: a lesbian socialist, a hispanic Socialist, a midget socialist, an Asin Socialist, a black socialist, etc

    people who all looked different but thought exactly alike



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    they are also far more objective than anything else. Look at the nonsense we get from Obama slurpers who try to pretend his race wasn't why he got into harvard
    Objective nonsense isn't helpful. And you have no evidence as to Obama and Harvard. You appear to be repeating an unsupported narrative because it suits a bias, and not because it has factual support.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Objective nonsense isn't helpful. And you have no evidence as to Obama and Harvard. You appear to be repeating an unsupported narrative because it suits a bias, and not because it has factual support.
    that's nonsense and you know it. there is nothing to indicate Obama was a strong student, let alone the superstar it normally takes a white male to get into Harvard law, at columbia.



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's nonsense and you know it. there is nothing to indicate Obama was a strong student, let alone the superstar it normally takes a white male to get into Harvard law, at columbia.
    Absent of evidence is absence of evidence. YOu can draw no conclusions from a lack of evidence. To do so suggests a bias.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This is happening at more and more
    universities.

    Even the ultra-liberal University of Texas at Austin is looking hard at itself. It has bent over backwards for minorities here, and they're seeing their graduation rates drop and their overall GPA suffer greatly. It's a hard school to get into for a state school (top 8 percent only unless you have a lot of other qualifications), but they're waving requirements for a lot of minority students who get there and can't hack it.

    Meanwhile, Texas A&M is sticking to their requirements and graduating more high-performers in the market place. Texas A&M used to be the irrelevant kid brother. That's changing rapidly, and it's got UT's attention.
    Lol !!

    That just reminded me of Vince Young.

    A UT student who scored a 6 on the NFLs Wonderlick aptitude test.

    10 is considered marginally literate.

    That coupled with his spending habbits and the fact that he blew through 25 Million bucks in just a couple lf years should have promted at least a NCAAA investigation into how exactly he was accepted into that College.

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