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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I've talked with quite a few. They are responding largely to a student desire for diversity. It's actually a selling point.
    Sure. Just like the Crimeans voted 98% to join Russia.
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    Sure. Just like the Crimeans voted 98% to join Russia.
    No. Im' not saying it is a large number, but schools grasp for every student they can get. And it is good to not be too much alike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. Im' not saying it is a large number, but schools grasp for every student they can get. And it is good to not be too much alike.
    In this case it was the Ministry of Truth corrupting speech.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

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    In this case it was the Ministry of Truth corrupting speech.
    I don't think so.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I've talked with quite a few. They are responding largely to a student desire for diversity. It's actually a selling point.
    Any student that isn't on campus to learn ought to be thrown out. Screw diversity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Any student that isn't on campus to learn ought to be thrown out. Screw diversity.
    That would be a rather large percentage today, and it has nothing to do with race. But learning also includes working with people who look, act, believe, and think differently than you do. Hearing different views also is part of learning. It is much more effective to have someone in the classroom that clearly presents those tings than to read about or be told about. Even a discussion about discrimination or preference is different if everyone is the same or there is a diverse classroom to discuss it. There is value in this diversity.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That would be a rather large percentage today, and it has nothing to do with race. But learning also includes working with people who look, act, believe, and think differently than you do. Hearing different views also is part of learning. It is much more effective to have someone in the classroom that clearly presents those tings than to read about or be told about. Even a discussion about discrimination or preference is different if everyone is the same or there is a diverse classroom to discuss it. There is value in this diversity.
    Then it's a large percentage. Throw them out. Learning does not have anything to do with that, socializing does. That's not something done in the classroom, it's something done on one's own time. There is no value in diversity, for the sake of diversity, on the college campus. Go elsewhere to learn about that.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then it's a large percentage. Throw them out. Learning does not have anything to do with that, socializing does. That's not something done in the classroom, it's something done on one's own time. There is no value in diversity, for the sake of diversity, on the college campus. Go elsewhere to learn about that.
    It's more than socializing. It's examining another view point from someone who has walked a different path, experienced life differently. That is learning, and proper for the classroom.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I agree that they have been victims of institutional bias in the past. But rather than give them a boost in points or preference, laws should be put into place that allow equal footing and equal opportunity for all. I am not a person who wishes to wipe the past away, I fully realize the wrongs that have occurred, as well as those that continue. However, I would rather give those victims the power to walk rather than have them depend on a crutch.
    The law already says you can't discriminate against someone based on race. It happens anyway. You'd like to give them the power to walk? Yeah, good talking point. Sounds wonderful. Explain how. Explain how someone is supposed to be self-sufficient when even an entry-level, minimum wage job that you can't sustain yourself on is denied to them based on skin color and cultural stigma. Explain how you would level the playing field when the white guy gets a second chance and the black guy doesn't get a first one.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then it's a large percentage. Throw them out. Learning does not have anything to do with that, socializing does. That's not something done in the classroom, it's something done on one's own time. There is no value in diversity, for the sake of diversity, on the college campus. Go elsewhere to learn about that.
    Yes, there absolutely is value in being exposed to other viewpoints, both in and out of the classroom. You guys always whine about universities being liberal hive minds, after all.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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