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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'm good with that. I got into and graduated from U of M on academic merit.

    I know what you're attempting though. There should be more credence given to someone who was class treasurer or science award winner than just being black.

    Look at what someone does instead of what they are. Even someone like you can understand that.
    Actually I would take this much farther than many. For example, the purpose of a college or university is academics. And if we make HS GPA and SAT's the way to get in - lets stick to that. How man athletes who play basketball or football at Michigan or other elite schools would get in by only an academic standard? How many sports lovers would dare walk down that path?
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually I would take this much farther than many. For example, the purpose of a college or university is academics. And if we make HS GPA and SAT's the way to get in - lets stick to that. How man athletes who play basketball or football at Michigan or other elite schools would get in by only an academic standard? How many sports lovers would dare walk down that path?
    But there is a difference in that example. There is no government regulation dictating to them what athletes they must take. The example of athletics involves alumni support, town support, and the universities using their own discretion based on what's going to be good for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    But there is a difference in that example. There is no government regulation dictating to them what athletes they must take. The example of athletics involves alumni support, town support, and the universities using their own discretion based on what's going to be good for them.
    Yes - all those things help support bigtime athletic programs. And at the same time there seems little doubt that some college athletes would never get into those schools on purely academics. Is that not a form of preference?
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes - all those things help support bigtime athletic programs. And at the same time there seems little doubt that some college athletes would never get into those schools on purely academics. Is that not a form of preference?
    It's a form of preference that isn't mandated by the government. Many of the college athletes couldn't think their way out of the bathrooms without assistance, but they are there to serve a purpose, which isn't necessarily bringing the average SAT scores of the incoming freshman class up.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    It took a judicial panel to decide that "that Michigan voters had the right to change their state constitution" to prohibit discrimination. Why did the 2 judges decide that Michigan voters didn't have the right to end this discrimination?

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

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    High court upholds Mich. affirmative action ban | The Detroit News

    "The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld Michiganís ban on using race as a factor in college admissions.

    The justices said in a 6-2 ruling that Michigan voters had the right to change their state constitution in 2006 to prohibit public colleges and universities from taking account of race in admissions decisions. The justices said a lower federal court was wrong to set aside the change as discriminatory."


    Students of all races can now know that they got in to Michigan schools on their merit.
    You mean to say that they have to judge prospective students on the content of their character, and not the color of their skin? What a novel idea!

    But, wasn't there a famous civil rights leader who suggested just such an idea a long time ago?
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Now we'll just have to assume that white people got in only because they were white.

    Goes both ways.

    Well, no. They will be admitted on merit as well.

    The SCOTUS ruling was to end the racial discrimination. If highly qualified black kids get denied while lower qualified white kids get in then that is discrimination and they can sue the school if they want. All the SCOTUS did was end institutionalized racial discrimination.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let us hope that this is simply one step in getting rid OF ALL PREFERENCES in college admissions. And I do mean ALL. If we want to admit the most qualified based on HS GPA and some test scores like the SAT's - then lets use those and let in the best and deny admission to anybody else not making that standard of admission.

    How many here would support that?
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    so I guess Michigan shouldn't let in a dullard who can throw a football like Tom Brady or hit a turnaround Jump shot like one of the "Fab Five"?



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The key here is ALL admissions based only on academic merit. In the past, some people who have a particular grudge against race based admissions find elaborate ways to excuse or justify other type of preferences. If academic merit is going to be the sole ticket in - lets stick to that for everyone at all colleges.
    well where you miss the point is that title VII makes racial discrimination wrong

    but employers can discriminate on other reasons-like personal appearance for example

    there is a mantra EEO officers say

    You can hire/fire someone for a good reason
    a bad reason
    or NO REASON at all as long as its not an ILLEGAL reason (race, creed, gender, age, color, or handicap)

    schools should be similar



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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's a form of preference that isn't mandated by the government. Many of the college athletes couldn't think their way out of the bathrooms without assistance, but they are there to serve a purpose, which isn't necessarily bringing the average SAT scores of the incoming freshman class up.
    Yes - your point about government is a true one. However, if we are going to have a society based on meritocracy, should we not at least try to foster merit in all aspects of college admissions regardless if those preferences come from government or alumni or those who run the place?

    Your point about the purpose of athletes is undeniable. But those same school would still field football teams and basketball teams if they simply had to recruit among the admitted student body. Those of greater athletic ability but lesser academic ability would inevitably find their way to lesser schools where academically they would be a far better fit and they could play there. Is the purpose of elite schools to field a great football team or is it to educate the student body?
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