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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hmmm. You'll have to elaborate that point. The decision seems plain on its face to eliminate racial consideration.
    By the school. Not that they changed a law or that AA called for it.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    So you agree that it was a fair decision?

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    Yes, and in keeping with decisions as far back as 1978.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    By the school. Not that they changed a law or that AA called for it.
    Fair enough. The school's consideration of race was an attempt to bring affirmative action in the back door.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Then this SCOTUS decision is in accord with your view.
    I'm fine with the decision for the reasons the justices mention--people can restrict AA by constitutional provision.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not true. I remember Pat Buchanan being called on that once. He admitted that AA wasn't what you suggest, but said we had to change it because so many believed it. The truth didn't matter.

    Again, no law requires quotas, or tokens, or percentages, or anyone not qualified. Those lawsuits were able to be filed, and were won because of AA. Without AA, schools could discriminate due to race and merit, whatever that is defined as, wouldn't matter at all.
    There may be nothing "official", but that's not to say that it doesn't happen. It feeds into public perception of "fairness". If merit was the only criterion, this legislation wouldn't exist. However, it exists because it has become accepted fact that blacks cannot compete on level ground. Hence...here you go. It's feel-good legislation. That's it.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't know, was this not you?



    If you can't prove it, how do you know it's happening at all? Where is your evidence that it's happening? You're the one claiming that it's happening.
    Oh, god, your reading comprehension is nonexistent.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not at all. What I'm talking about is showing that race is not used as an admission factor.
    I don't see how that follows what I said. You mentioned pointing out a pattern of white students chosen. How do you know when a pattern has taken shape? What ratio of white to black students does there have to be for such a pattern to form?

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Your only problem is the U.S. Constitution. Preference based on race is unconstitutional. Not all preferences are.
    I get your point but that never was and is not now my argument. I am not basing this on the Constitution. I am basing it on the simple principle that the best and brightest should be admitted.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Fair enough. The school's consideration of race was an attempt to bring affirmative action in the back door.
    Not really, they seek diversity. The point is no law mandates that they do this. Such is not affirmative action as subscribed by law.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I get your point but that never was and is not now my argument. I am not basing this on the Constitution. I am basing it on the simple principle that the best and brightest should be admitted.

    Note: I didn't ready 19 pages..

    If it's best and brightest why has AA been the fact that decides? Be it Governmental jobs or college?
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