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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    How many schools would dare walk down their path?

    The philosophy or communications department isn't the thing that brings a ton of money into Michigan and makes them recognizable on a national stage.
    Agreed. But Harvard seems to do okay in the recognition department without Michigan style athletic teams don't they? What is so sacred about athletics that we must sacrifice the principle of academic merit upon that altar?
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's great, but since I was referring to the difficulty of identifying and prosecuting white on black racism what you're saying is beside the point. Affirmative Action was created to address that point, though I think we can all agree that in execution it was always faulty from the start. So how would you identify white on black racism when it happens, or are you too going to say that being somewhat less common than the Loch Ness Monster it's pointless to even discuss?
    White on black, black on white, it's all racism.

    And, while it's less widespread and less acceptable than it used to be, it is a lot more common than sightings of the Loch Ness Monster, and far more real.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Just the opposite. Merit is all I am considering.

    As to athletic talent.....So is musical talent. So is cooking. So is writing poetry. So is drawing pictures. So is proficiency at sex. So are lots and lots and lots of things.

    And while some of those do touch upon things in college, I do NOT want to make them what gets you in or out of an academic institution dedicated to learning and the acquisition of knowledge unless of course it is a cooking school or an art school or a music school where those things are primary at the school and they forgo regular academics. There are no colleges or universities that I know of which only teach team athletics and forgo regular academics.
    But you want skin color to be a determinant...

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    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Which you must know won't happen. It will simply return to the old system that values legacy or admissions officers whims over merit and diversity will be lost.
    Lets try it and find out. If if the old way rears its ugly preferential head - lets deal with that as it happens.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    But you want skin color to be a determinant...
    where are you getting that statement from?
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    where are you getting that statement from?
    From you getting pissed about the revocation of AA.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    It's good to see the racists lose.
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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Universities are made up of colleges. A University can have a College of Arts and Sciences, a College of Engineering, a College of Computer Science, etc...Sometimes they're called schools as well. Basically, the difference between a college and a university is that a college offers degrees in one area, a university offers degrees in multiple areas. One isn't superior to the other academically.
    You may want to tell that to the poster who thinks universities are superior to colleges.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Agreed. But Harvard seems to do okay in the recognition department without Michigan style athletic teams don't they? What is so sacred about athletics that we must sacrifice the principle of academic merit upon that altar?
    Harvard fields some outstanding athletics programs. In fact, at last count, they had over 40 Division 1 teams which I think is still the highest in the country. They hold their student athletes to a higher standard than most schools, both when they are incoming and while they are there.

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    Re: High Court Upholds Michigan Affirmative Action Ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    But you want skin color to be a determinant...
    The whole idea that we would fix racial discrimination with racial discrimination has always been a non-starter. If minority children can't get in to college because their high school education was poor then fix the high school. If they don't get in because the school discriminated due to skin color then fire the school administrator that made that choice.

    Affirmative action in school admissions has always been a unworkable solution to a problem whose root causes were politically protected and deemed not fixable.
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