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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Me thinks that perhaps you get your information from Blogs and other uninformed sources, it is also likely you have no idea how the whole Bundy fiasco began and is playing out.

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    March 15, 2014: After nearly 20 years, the Bureau of Land Management sends Bundy a letter informing him that they plan to impound his "trespass cattle," which have been roaming on 90 miles of federal land. BLM averages four livestock impoundments a year, usually involving a few dozen animals.

    March 27, 2014: The BLM has closed off 322,000 acres of public land, and is preparing to collect Bundy's cattle. Bundy files a notice with the county sheriff department, titled “Range War Emergency Notice and Demand for Protection." Bundy also says he has a virtual army of supporters from all over the country ready to protect him. He also has Gardner. “I think Cliven is taking a stand not only for family ranchers, but also for every freedom-loving American, for everyone," Gardner said. "I’ve been trying to resolve these same types of issues since 1984. Perhaps it’s difficult for the average American to understand, but protecting the individual was a underlying factor of our government. ... My support is that I am determined to stand by the Bundy family in any fashion it takes regardless of the threat of life or limb."

    Clark County Commissioner Tom Collins also supports Bundy. “The U.S. government has perpetrated a bigger fraud on people over those tortoises than Al Capone did selling swampland in Miami."

    April 1, 2014: Bundy's 14 children and 52 grandchildren are all bunkered down at his house waiting for the BLM to arrive. Bundy is giving constant interviews and making constant calls to local and state officials. BLM has set up two "First Amendment areas" in nearby Bunkerville.

    April 2, 2014: Around 30 protesters line up outside the Livestock auction house to protest the sale of Bundy's cattle. If Bundy doesn't pay the fees he's accumulated, his cows could be sold to another buyer.

    A group of local conservationists sent a letter to local officials demanding that they support BLM's actions. One of those people was Bundy's cousin, Terri Robertson. They've only met a few times, and only at meetings about the federal lands. “He’s just in a world of his own. I don’t think he’s working on all four cylinders,” Robertson said. Bundy retorts that his city slicker cousin doesn't know what she is talking about. “My cattle are the kind of cattle people look for at Whole Foods.”

    April 5, 2014: After decades of trepidation, federal officials and cowboys start rounding up what they think are Cliven Bundy's hundreds of cows. The operation was going to cost $1 million, and reportedly last until May. BLM contends that Bundy owes $1 million in fees, and will also have to pay the round-up expenses. Bundy — who retorts that he only owes $300,000 in fees — says the city folk are only hurting themselves by taking his cows. He told a reporter from the Las Vegas Review Journal that there would be 500,000 fewer hamburgers per year after his cows were towed away; “But nobody is thinking about that. Why would they? They’re all thinking about the desert tortoise. Hey, the tortoise is a fine creature. I like him. I have no problem with him. But taking another man’s cattle? It just doesn’t seem right.”

    He also thinks the co-habitating cows and tortoises could have a beautiful, symbiotic relationship if the government would let them. “The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”

    April 6, 2014: Cliven Bundy's 37-year-old son is arrested for "refusing to disperse" and resisting arrest. He was released the following day. His face is covered with scratches from fighting the feds. Before he left the detention center, authorities gave him a tuna fish sandwich. "It wasn’t poison," he said. "I just ate it.”

    The Nevada Cattlemen’s Association distances itself from protests over Bundy's cattle. “Nevada Cattlemen’s Association does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter."

    April 9, 2014: Two of Bundy's family members are injured in a confrontation with federal officials. One of them was Bundy's son, tasered after he kicked a police dog. "I'm almost getting mad enough to swear," Bundy says. "The one thing we're going to do is stay cool and we're gonna fight."

    April 10, 2014: A protest camp has formed. There is a sign at the entrance that reads, "MILITA SIGHN IN."


    Traveling from as close as St. George — and as far as Montana — a mix of characters waved picket signs at an encampment just before a bridge over the Virgin River, protesting the BLM’s campaign.

    “This is a better education than being in school! I’m glad I brought you. I’m a good mom,” said Ilona Ence, a 49-year-old mother from St. George and Bundy relative who brought her four teenage kids to the ranch. “They’re learning about the Constitution.”

    ... Jack Faught, Bundy’s first cousin, drove his forest green 1929 Chevy truck from Mesquite loaded with water and Gatorade.

    “It’s not about the cows,” he said. “It’s about the freedom to make our own choices close to home.”

    Polo Parra, a 27-year-old tattoo artist from Las Vegas, even showed up with two of his friends to support the rancher. Dressed in baggy clothes and covered in tattoos, the group carried signs that read “TYRANNY IS ALIVE” and “WHERE’S THE JUSTICE?” in red spray-painted letters.

    One of Parra’s friends, who would not share his name, had a pistol tucked in his waistband.

    “I think it’s bull, and it really made me mad,” said Parra, who decided to make the trip when he heard about the violence that broke out on the ranch. “This isn’t about no turtles or cows.”

    One protester, a former Arizona sheriff named Richard Mack, told Fox News about the militia's plans if violence broke out in Bunkerville. “We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

    April 12, 2014: BLM decides not to enforce their court order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."

    The Bundy son who was tasered said, "We won the battle." He told another outlet, “The people have the power when they unite. The war has just begun.”

    April 14, 2014: BLM also pledges that this isn't done. A spokesperson for the bureau said this Sunday, "The door isn't closed. We'll figure out how to move forward with this."

    Some of Bundy's neighbors aren't impressed by his actions. "I feel that the rule of law supersedes armed militias coming in from all over the country to stand with a law-breaking rancher, which is what he is," one person told a local TV station.

    Wild horse advocates are getting angrier, saying that the roaming cattle are ruining their habitats. Other scientists argue that the wild horses and cows alike are ruining habitats for other animals.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid tells a local news outlet, "It's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over."

    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    And what violence have these "armed terrorists" committed to warrant such a large armed response by BLM before they were even on the scene?
    Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City. All of these outrages were committed by violent extremists of the kind supporting Bundy.
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So they BLM is talking about possibly designating some more federal wild lands as National Monuments. Where is the scandal in that??

    Oh had that committed marxist Teddy Roosevelt not declared the Grand Canyon a National Monument we would all be free today...
    Did you bother to read the BLM document? They propose to obtain additional land from private citizens to "fill in the checkerboard" of their present holdings. If the current landowners want to sell their land to the BLM, then fine. If the BLM uses the outrageous decision of the liberal SC justices and simply take the land, then I'm not to crazy about it.

    They also intend on using the Antiquities Act more to take land. Although this act has been reigned in somewhat due to overzealous use by several Presidents in the past, it is still a concern what this could lead to, i.e., a land grab.

    No one is for preserving our natural lands along with its wildlife more than I am, BUT, it should be done out in the open with the consent of the people affected.

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Ruby Ridge, Waco, Oklahoma City. All of these outrages were committed by violent extremists of the kind supporting Bundy.
    No one was at the Bundy ranch to support him until AFTER the BLM showed up with a SWAT team.

    Try again.

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by sedan View Post
    No, this is about bureaucrats in the BLM speculating whether to make a recommendation that the President exercise a power that he already has.

    On a scale of 1 to 10, this particular conspiracy theory gets a -3.
    It's not the President who comes out and exercises the power himself, it's all of his little toadies who work for him - appointed or hire bureaucrats who do it in his name. Consolidation of power into the Executive branch is something both parties have been doing for decades but enough is enough.
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I don't know....BLM swat/sniper teams surrounding a ranch to round up cattle perhaps.
    BLM Swat / sniper teams never surrounded a private ranch. They never entered private property. The BLM did round up cattle on public lands. The owner of those cattle had not paid the rental fee in years.

    Though I am not a big fan of Endangered Species Laws and I also am also opposed to abusing the "eminent domain" concept, one must make the the needed distinctions. Bundy is an Occupier with short hair

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No one is for preserving our natural lands along with its wildlife more than I am, BUT, it should be done out in the open with the consent of the people affected.
    Well said.
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Did you bother to read the BLM document? They propose to obtain additional land from private citizens to "fill in the checkerboard" of their present holdings. If the current landowners want to sell their land to the BLM, then fine. If the BLM uses the outrageous decision of the liberal SC justices and simply take the land, then I'm not to crazy about it.

    They also intend on using the Antiquities Act more to take land. Although this act has been reigned in somewhat due to overzealous use by several Presidents in the past, it is still a concern what this could lead to, i.e., a land grab.

    No one is for preserving our natural lands along with its wildlife more than I am, BUT, it should be done out in the open with the consent of the people affected.
    I agree with all of that, but the notion that the BLM is just going to up and seize private land is pure speculation. Its been the policy of the Forest Service to purchase private lands that are surrounded by National Forests when possible, I don't see how this is any different.
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I agree with all of that, but the notion that the BLM is just going to up and seize private land is pure speculation. Its been the policy of the Forest Service to purchase private lands that are surrounded by National Forests when possible, I don't see how this is any different.
    If they are going to buy it at a fair price from willing landowners, then fine. I for one don't trust them to do that.

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No one was at the Bundy ranch to support him until AFTER the BLM showed up with a SWAT team.

    Try again.
    The time of arrival is irrelevant. Bundy has a long history of lawlessness and this type of crime is common in the west. BLM reasonably could expect the armed gangs to arrive at some poing.
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The time of arrival is irrelevant. Bundy has a long history of lawlessness and this type of crime is common in the west. BLM reasonably could expect the armed gangs to arrive at some poing.
    Really? What "crimes" has Bundy committed??

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