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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Patriotism is the love of one's country, not the love of government. Statists tend to muddle the two.
    Actually, a "state" is a country not a government. "Statists," then, love their country.
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    I gotta love CONs and the silly games they play...

    It is an internal document that isn't policy, but a brain storming paper to explore possibilities. Does the Antiquities Act give the Executive branch such powers? Has the4 Act been used before by Presidents?

    The Grand canyon was protected under this act, as was the Chaco Canyon complex. It applies to FEDERAL lands, not private ones. It has routinely been upheld by the Supreme Court.

    I understand the CONs are desperate for a new scare to use on the CON sheeple. I suppose they will turn every routine policy into a naked land-grab, rights grab, over reach or some such crap.

    Good luck with that...

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Nor do I. I do think, however, when faced with armed terrorists guns are necessary. BLM had to expect and prepare for violence given the propensity toward violence among Bundy's supporters.
    And what violence have these "armed terrorists" committed to warrant such a large armed response by BLM before they were even on the scene?
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Actually, a "state" is a country not a government. "Statists," then, love their country.
    Definition of STATISM

    concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

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    BLM document reveals big change in federal land management
    By Sarah Dallof

    SALT LAKE CITY -- KSL 5 News has obtained a document that outlines a huge change in how the federal government wants to manage federal land in Utah, and one Utah congressman says it makes him furious.
    Congressman Rob Bishop's office also recently received the document. Bishop said he's angry because it would put virtually all land management power in the hands of the White House.

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    Now, an outside source provided KSL with the entire document, and it does suggest a dramatically new philosophy for managing federal land.
    The Bureau of Land Management's document is stamped with "Internal Draft. Not for release." Titled "Treasured Landscapes," it lays out what some consider a sweeping and detailed plan for the next 25 years.
    It took Bishop months to get the document, which lays out the context for the snippets released a few months ago.
    "They have clearly been dragging their feet, and they don't want to let us know what they're trying to do," Bishop says.
    He is especially concerned about portions of the document that recommend using the Antiquities Act "should the legislative process not prove fruitful." The act gives the president power to designate a national monument with no public or legislative input.
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    BLM document reveals big change in federal land management | KSL.com
    What concern is it of Utah how the Federal government uses Our land? I don't concern myself on how the state of Utah wishes to legally use their land.


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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Actually, a "state" is a country not a government. "Statists," then, love their country.
    Actually, no.

    From dictionary.com...

    adjective
    15. of or pertaining to the central civil government or authority.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    So they BLM is talking about possibly designating some more federal wild lands as National Monuments. Where is the scandal in that??

    Oh had that committed marxist Teddy Roosevelt not declared the Grand Canyon a National Monument we would all be free today...
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    This crap is getting out of control.
    Personally, I think it's just getting out into the light.

    It's been out of control for awhile.
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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    Actually, a "state" is a country not a government. "Statists," then, love their country.
    I know many statists who are up front enough to say they hate their own nation. Ive seen it here at this forum.

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    Re: BLM document reveals big change

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Me thinks that perhaps you get your information from Blogs and other uninformed sources, it is also likely you have no idea how the whole Bundy fiasco began and is playing out.

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    March 15, 2014: After nearly 20 years, the Bureau of Land Management sends Bundy a letter informing him that they plan to impound his "trespass cattle," which have been roaming on 90 miles of federal land. BLM averages four livestock impoundments a year, usually involving a few dozen animals.

    March 27, 2014: The BLM has closed off 322,000 acres of public land, and is preparing to collect Bundy's cattle. Bundy files a notice with the county sheriff department, titled “Range War Emergency Notice and Demand for Protection." Bundy also says he has a virtual army of supporters from all over the country ready to protect him. He also has Gardner. “I think Cliven is taking a stand not only for family ranchers, but also for every freedom-loving American, for everyone," Gardner said. "I’ve been trying to resolve these same types of issues since 1984. Perhaps it’s difficult for the average American to understand, but protecting the individual was a underlying factor of our government. ... My support is that I am determined to stand by the Bundy family in any fashion it takes regardless of the threat of life or limb."

    Clark County Commissioner Tom Collins also supports Bundy. “The U.S. government has perpetrated a bigger fraud on people over those tortoises than Al Capone did selling swampland in Miami."

    April 1, 2014: Bundy's 14 children and 52 grandchildren are all bunkered down at his house waiting for the BLM to arrive. Bundy is giving constant interviews and making constant calls to local and state officials. BLM has set up two "First Amendment areas" in nearby Bunkerville.

    April 2, 2014: Around 30 protesters line up outside the Livestock auction house to protest the sale of Bundy's cattle. If Bundy doesn't pay the fees he's accumulated, his cows could be sold to another buyer.

    A group of local conservationists sent a letter to local officials demanding that they support BLM's actions. One of those people was Bundy's cousin, Terri Robertson. They've only met a few times, and only at meetings about the federal lands. “He’s just in a world of his own. I don’t think he’s working on all four cylinders,” Robertson said. Bundy retorts that his city slicker cousin doesn't know what she is talking about. “My cattle are the kind of cattle people look for at Whole Foods.”

    April 5, 2014: After decades of trepidation, federal officials and cowboys start rounding up what they think are Cliven Bundy's hundreds of cows. The operation was going to cost $1 million, and reportedly last until May. BLM contends that Bundy owes $1 million in fees, and will also have to pay the round-up expenses. Bundy — who retorts that he only owes $300,000 in fees — says the city folk are only hurting themselves by taking his cows. He told a reporter from the Las Vegas Review Journal that there would be 500,000 fewer hamburgers per year after his cows were towed away; “But nobody is thinking about that. Why would they? They’re all thinking about the desert tortoise. Hey, the tortoise is a fine creature. I like him. I have no problem with him. But taking another man’s cattle? It just doesn’t seem right.”

    He also thinks the co-habitating cows and tortoises could have a beautiful, symbiotic relationship if the government would let them. “The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”

    April 6, 2014: Cliven Bundy's 37-year-old son is arrested for "refusing to disperse" and resisting arrest. He was released the following day. His face is covered with scratches from fighting the feds. Before he left the detention center, authorities gave him a tuna fish sandwich. "It wasn’t poison," he said. "I just ate it.”

    The Nevada Cattlemen’s Association distances itself from protests over Bundy's cattle. “Nevada Cattlemen’s Association does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter."

    April 9, 2014: Two of Bundy's family members are injured in a confrontation with federal officials. One of them was Bundy's son, tasered after he kicked a police dog. "I'm almost getting mad enough to swear," Bundy says. "The one thing we're going to do is stay cool and we're gonna fight."

    April 10, 2014: A protest camp has formed. There is a sign at the entrance that reads, "MILITA SIGHN IN."


    Traveling from as close as St. George — and as far as Montana — a mix of characters waved picket signs at an encampment just before a bridge over the Virgin River, protesting the BLM’s campaign.

    “This is a better education than being in school! I’m glad I brought you. I’m a good mom,” said Ilona Ence, a 49-year-old mother from St. George and Bundy relative who brought her four teenage kids to the ranch. “They’re learning about the Constitution.”

    ... Jack Faught, Bundy’s first cousin, drove his forest green 1929 Chevy truck from Mesquite loaded with water and Gatorade.

    “It’s not about the cows,” he said. “It’s about the freedom to make our own choices close to home.”

    Polo Parra, a 27-year-old tattoo artist from Las Vegas, even showed up with two of his friends to support the rancher. Dressed in baggy clothes and covered in tattoos, the group carried signs that read “TYRANNY IS ALIVE” and “WHERE’S THE JUSTICE?” in red spray-painted letters.

    One of Parra’s friends, who would not share his name, had a pistol tucked in his waistband.

    “I think it’s bull, and it really made me mad,” said Parra, who decided to make the trip when he heard about the violence that broke out on the ranch. “This isn’t about no turtles or cows.”

    One protester, a former Arizona sheriff named Richard Mack, told Fox News about the militia's plans if violence broke out in Bunkerville. “We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

    April 12, 2014: BLM decides not to enforce their court order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."

    The Bundy son who was tasered said, "We won the battle." He told another outlet, “The people have the power when they unite. The war has just begun.”

    April 14, 2014: BLM also pledges that this isn't done. A spokesperson for the bureau said this Sunday, "The door isn't closed. We'll figure out how to move forward with this."

    Some of Bundy's neighbors aren't impressed by his actions. "I feel that the rule of law supersedes armed militias coming in from all over the country to stand with a law-breaking rancher, which is what he is," one person told a local TV station.

    Wild horse advocates are getting angrier, saying that the roaming cattle are ruining their habitats. Other scientists argue that the wild horses and cows alike are ruining habitats for other animals.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid tells a local news outlet, "It's not over. We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it's not over."

    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government

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