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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Everyone of those utilities benefits the homeowner directly and the community as a whole. Easements are for public utilites and I agree with those uses...living in a civil society.

    XL is a commercial venture. It is eminate domain at its very worst.
    blame the liberals on the supreme court for supporting it.

    Justice Stevens wrote the majority opinion, joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.

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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Everyone of those utilities benefits the homeowner directly and the community as a whole. Easements are for public utilites and I agree with those uses...living in a civil society.

    XL is a commercial venture. It is eminate domain at its very worst.
    Oh yeah... I keep forgetting electrical lines, gas lines, and cable/tv lines are not commercial ventures.

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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Everyone of those utilities benefits the homeowner directly and the community as a whole. Easements are for public utilites and I agree with those uses...living in a civil society.

    XL is a commercial venture. It is eminate domain at its very worst.
    It seems like the right really doesn't have a problem with Socialism bailing out Capitalism, but only if the least wealthy don't benefit.

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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The tar sand sludge is not moving and won't without that leak prone pipeline. We won't see a drop of it anyway because it is all for export. Why should we take all the risks and cancer because the Canadians don't want it in their country. Let them ship and refine it, we are already exporting 400,000 barrels of gasoline a day.
    We have already assumed all of the risks and have none of the economic stimulus that building the Pipeline would provide.

    Again, the oil is being shipped and it is carried via Truck and Train to the Gulf. Pipelines are safer and produce fewer GHG's than does transport via Truck or Rail.

    The product is already being shipped. The only thing we are debating at this point is if we would rather ship it in a less expensive, less polluting and safer way that we are currently shipping it. Oh, yeah, we are also discussing adding about 40,000 jobs to the economy for a few years.



    Canadian oil rides south even without Keystone pipeline

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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    I believe we should advance the Cause of an energy with a future: Fusion.

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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    blame the liberals on the supreme court for supporting it.

    Justice Stevens wrote the majority opinion, joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer.
    I dont agree with the decision...and I would not classify Kennedy as a liberal. Souter was considered to be conservative when BushII nominated him and Kennedy was more a moderate nominated by RR.


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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    We have already assumed all of the risks and have none of the economic stimulus that building the Pipeline would provide.

    Again, the oil is being shipped and it is carried via Truck and Train to the Gulf. Pipelines are safer and produce fewer GHG's than does transport via Truck or Rail.

    The product is already being shipped. The only thing we are debating at this point is if we would rather ship it in a less expensive, less polluting and safer way that we are currently shipping it. Oh, yeah, we are also discussing adding about 40,000 jobs to the economy for a few years.



    Canadian oil rides south even without Keystone pipeline

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    Why is it our— the people of the USA —concern to ship Canadian oil via land to refineries that are not owned by the people of the US at all.

    Let Cananda worry about shipping their oil over their land to the west. It can be refined in West Coast refineries.


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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    There is more than one resource at stake.

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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    I believe it is simply bailing out the wealthiest. Why not promote the general welfare by putting Infrastructure underground, and include capacity for the private sector?

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    Re: Administration again delays Keystone pipeline decision

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Why isit our the people of the USA'c concern to ship Canadian oil via land to refineries that are not owned by the people of the US at all.

    Let Cananda worry about shipping their oil over their land to the west. It can be refined in West Coast refineries.


    We are a refined petroleum exporting country. This pipeline will terminate in the New Orleans and Houston Area.

    More raw material will create more refining jobs whether that refined product is burned in the USA or shipped to Europe.

    All of that said, though, the crude is currently being shipped to that area and is running across our highways and across our rails taking up space and increasing the costs to ship stuff like food.

    Our air is being polluted, our infrastructure worn down and the costs of other commodities rising because Obama and the Dems need to pay back the Greens that bought them.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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