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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The Keystone is a lose - lose for the president and the Democrats. If it is approved, then the environmental community will be unhappy. If it isn't approved, labor will be unhappy. Both are supporters of Democrats.

    Like Harry Truman said, "No matter what you do in this job, some SOB doesn't like it." So, someone won't like it, but at least they won't like it after the November election.


    Then there is the issue of relations with your neighbors. One of the reasons Harper can't stand Obama is because the prick doesn't keep his word. Harper has been trying to shore up industry concerns; meeting with Obama on it at their first G-8, where, if you read between the lines of what Harper said and what the industry is now saying, Obama gave assurances...

    Then, nope, some actors called a demonstration at the White House and that was that.

    So now he has investors AND Canada pissed off, and the good people in Washington State don't understand why Canada and British Columbia won't renegotiate the Columbia River Treaty.


    So the US government goes against the approvals of its own bureaucracy, gives up billions in profits, hundreds of thousands of jobs, while losing the support of his Northern neighbor, it's investors, the US labor community, and allows China to get another small step ahead....to appease some actors and their lemming followers..

    That's good for whom now?
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know whether or not what they're saying is true, but I do know that special interests have no qualms about publishing falsehoods and exposing themselves to "lies and ridicule."

    As for the numbers of people employed by oil pipelines, there are plenty of examples of oil pipelines already. The number people they employ should be a clue.
    But of course it's not just the maintenance crews who work on the pipelines once they are completed, its the oil being used in manufacturing as well. If the American people prefer Venezuelan or mid East oil then they can continue to do so. Oil will always find a market.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh, it's been a political thing since Obama took office.

    That is transparent in Canadian reporting, where two years ago it was forecast that EVERY US agency would give a green light but would never be approved under Obama, and if so, as a lame duck.

    You see, the history on this puppy goes way back, to the first economical development of synthetic oil from the oil sands in northern Alberta. When refined, it is cleaner, longer lasting and the finest high temperature lubricating substance on the planet.

    Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This is an addition to two existing pipelines transporting the crude to refineries on the Gulf Coast and then to offshore markets, meaning Asia, amounting to huge profits for investors and about 300,000 jobs over the life of the pipeline. Objections of technology have been overcome, the XL is called "XL" because it is the state of the art technology.

    They have also re-routed over objectionable areas. It has been green lighted by the EPA, Interior, Labour, and for some reason Kerry and the State Department, presumably because this stuff is going to Japan, Korea, and China. State must also be aware that since Obama came into office, the Canadian end of the consortium, the one with the technology, has been planning an alternative, crossing the northern Rockies to Prince Rupert, where a Liquified Natural Gas Plant and ship loading facility are in the development stage. Chinese investors have let it be known they will build a secondary refinery there as well, which if it happens, will rob Americans of hundreds of thousands of jobs and the job creating profits to investors.

    As the hearings on one of the three pipeline proposals have closed, federal approval is likely with the current Conservative administrations, which means all the remains is the usual threats of native law suits which get bought out pretty quick any more.

    I'd say, if Obama doesn't green light it by 2015, it's deader than the stuff that died making the oil in the first place.


    Heya F&L. I heard the Canadian PM had some words to say about it too.

    Still this is going to hurt some Democrats come election time.....even Begich.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Then there is the issue of relations with your neighbors. One of the reasons Harper can't stand Obama is because the prick doesn't keep his word. Harper has been trying to shore up industry concerns; meeting with Obama on it at their first G-8, where, if you read between the lines of what Harper said and what the industry is now saying, Obama gave assurances...

    Then, nope, some actors called a demonstration at the White House and that was that.

    So now he has investors AND Canada pissed off, and the good people in Washington State don't understand why Canada and British Columbia won't renegotiate the Columbia River Treaty.


    So the US government goes against the approvals of its own bureaucracy, gives up billions in profits, hundreds of thousands of jobs, while losing the support of his Northern neighbor, it's investors, the US labor community, and allows China to get another small step ahead....to appease some actors and their lemming followers..

    That's good for whom now?
    True, but, you see, none of that matters in Washington. The only thing that matters is scoring points for the party.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    True, but, you see, none of that matters in Washington. The only thing that matters is scoring points for the party.


    Which would be good politics if it were the party that benefits. In this case it's Obama's on-going relationship with the eco-head segment of the party with a view to what he can charge for speaking engagements.

    It akin to the brutal mistake the socialists here made last May, saying they would cancel a local pipeline before the submission has been made. They forgot they are made up of working men and women, dependent on high paying jobs to live in this paradise. As a result the Liberals came from a 20 point deficit to a 30% margin....and the New Democrats are now an endangered species.

    The US Democrats risk the same fate. Short term, ego-driven rock star politics doesn't work anymore.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Which would be good politics if it were the party that benefits. In this case it's Obama's on-going relationship with the eco-head segment of the party with a view to what he can charge for speaking engagements.

    It akin to the brutal mistake the socialists here made last May, saying they would cancel a local pipeline before the submission has been made. They forgot they are made up of working men and women, dependent on high paying jobs to live in this paradise. As a result the Liberals came from a 20 point deficit to a 30% margin....and the New Democrats are now an endangered species.

    The US Democrats risk the same fate. Short term, ego-driven rock star politics doesn't work anymore.
    It's interesting that some decisions really do work to hurt your own people! Keep up the good work! I'm impressed!

    Greetings, F&L.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    SSM is a libertarian issue, drug legalization is supported only by the libertarians, immigration reform is a political football with the Republicans saying they want to secure the border until they actually get into power, libertarians are pro choice in abortion as in everything else.

    The Libertarians are on the right side of every issue except immigration. Their open borders plank is exactly what the Democrats and Republicans want, but won't admit it.
    Neither Dems and ESPECIALLY Repubs want open borders. They want their corporate indentured servitude class that has no legal recourse for their treatment.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh.....you didn't figure out that part about those Unions and who they support, huh? You do realize this is more of a Democrat on Democrat type of Problem. Despite the Republicans wanting this legislation passed.

    Because they will always have more heart and will muster up than 98% of those on the left......as the streets show it for what it really is about. At least that is how it plays out here, where I am located.

    Note that is Right in the Heart of Liberaldom. On The Front line. Everyday.....24/7. Can you explain why the left doesn't manage to produce many that Have the heart to finish what they start?
    Well this is no surprise. A Repub lover dumbfounded that some other party isn't acting as lock-step as his own.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Oh good grief. Its not like the pipeline threatens the water-tables of 13 states, that is ridiculous. It is a 36 inch diameter tube. If you look at the anti-XL map you can see every single possible water source within several thousand feet of the pipeline. Most of which are creeks or small wells. Also no there isn't any significant risk from transporting diluted bitumen 'dilbit' especially when you use the specialized materials that the pipeline would be built with. We've had dilbit flowing into our country for years and so far none of the major pipe leaks or accidents have been related to corrosion, either here or in Canada. What would make this any different?

    Keystone XL Google Earth View | Keystone Mapping ProjectKeystone Mapping Project
    Just creeks and small wells huh?

    NRDCKeystone.JPG

    It's called the Ogallala Aquifer. It irrigates almost all of the center of our country. You know. Farming land.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yeah, good thing we don't have any petroleum pipelines here in the U.S.

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    Yes. Let's do more...

    The statistics

    As we all know, what shows up in the media is not necessarily representative of the situation at large. For a clearer picture, we turn to the Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.

    This subdivision of the U.S. Department of Transportation is responsible for "ensuring safe, reliable, and environmentally sound operations" of our domestic pipeline system. It operates completely independently from FERC, the body that regulates pipeline markets and rates of transmission.

    According to the PHMSA, there were 603 reported pipeline incidents last year, resulting in 17 deaths, 70 injuries, and just shy of $326 million in property damage. Approximately 139,000 barrels of hazardous liquid spilled over the course of the year.

    Over the course of the last five years, those numbers are more or less average. If you go back a little further, the number of incidents has increased over the last 10 years, though the statistics for all other categories remain essentially the same.

    Leave that **** in the ground and lets pursue avenues that make it completely worthless. A great side benefit... it would destroy Russia as their economy is a one trick pony. Fossil Fuels.
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