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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Pipelines in the US are far from the worst, and worldwide pipelines are the cleanest means of transport. The leak danger claim is a red herring.

    Yeah JH......wherein Team O. Noted themselves.

    Despite this administration’s own findings that the Keystone project will result in significant economic benefits to our country, President Obama has placed politics over substantive policy that only serves to advance the agenda of well funded radical environmentalists.....snip~


    But then everybody forgot The Democrats staying up all night to talk about Global Warming.....resulting in the Blue Dog Demos taking the hit.

    Just like Obama knew they would.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I may be wrong but wasn't there a time when elected leaders did what they thought was best for the country?
    Yeah, there was such a time - but it's apparently been phased out. I think it's referred to as "the good old days" by those who remember it!

    Greetings, Grant.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Don't cha just luv it!? :

    Greetings, Vesper. :
    Actually Polgara I am pissed over it all. I am sick and tired of a group of people in this country so ignorant to believe CO2 is a pollutant when every living thing other than a bacteria and a couple of fungi produces it and every green thing thrives on it while producing oxygen. And to allow these morons such powers as to hinder the pipeline, or put coal out of business, hinder drilling for fossil fuel and even regulate the flatulence of cattle, dairy cows and every other barnyard animal over CO2/methane they produce is preposterous. I'm tired of the same morons willing to even flirt with giving up the sovereignty of this nation through the UN for such idiocy. May someone enlighten them soon before they f-ing ruin this country.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah JH......wherein Team O. Noted themselves.

    Despite this administrationís own findings that the Keystone project will result in significant economic benefits to our country, President Obama has placed politics over substantive policy that only serves to advance the agenda of well funded radical environmentalists.....snip~


    But then everybody forgot The Democrats staying up all night to talk about Global Warming.....resulting in the Blue Dog Demos taking the hit.

    Just like Obama knew they would.
    Here is something very interesting:

    America depends on a network of more than 185,000 miles of liquid petroleum pipelines, nearly 320,000 miles of gas transmission pipelines, and more than 2 million miles of gas distribution pipelines to safely and efficiently move energy and raw materials to fuel our nation's economic engine. This system of pipelines serves as a national network to move the energy resources we need from production areas or ports of entry throughout North America to consumers, airports, military bases, population centers and industry every day.

    Pipeline101 - Why-Do-We-Need-Pipelines

    If we have more than 185,000 miles of oil pipelines today, what in the world is the problem with another 2-3,000 miles of added pipeline the Keystone would add? It is all purely political and an attempt to appease a 100 million dollar donor with a quid pro quo with the delay and the environmentalist.

    If one takes an honest look shipping oil via truck or train is a lot more dangerous and adds far more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere than a pipeline which everything is enclosed.

    Now if Democratic senators up for re-election this year, Landrieu in Louisiana, Pryor in Arkansas can't convince their own party and president to approve the pipeline, why in the world would the folks of Arkansas and Louisiana send them back to Washington. Those two already let the people of their state down once when they voted against the people who sent them to Washington on the ACA. This delay may be just what Cotton in Arkansas and Cassidy in Louisiana need to defeat these two Democratic incumbents.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually Polgara I am pissed over it all. I am sick and tired of a group of people in this country so ignorant to believe CO2 is a pollutant when every living thing other than a bacteria and a couple of fungi produces it and every green thing thrives on it while producing oxygen. And to allow these morons such powers as to hinder the pipeline, or put coal out of business, hinder drilling for fossil fuel and even regulate the flatulence of cattle, dairy cows and every other barnyard animal over CO2/methane they produce is preposterous. I'm tired of the same morons willing to even flirt with giving up the sovereignty of this nation through the UN with such idiocy. May someone enlighten them soon before they f-ing ruin this country.
    When they refuse to listen to common sense, this is what you can expect! Who is there to "enlighten" them when every move is determined by party agenda, and not for the good of the country?

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    When they refuse to listen to common sense, this is what you can expect! Who is there to "enlighten" them when every move is determined by party agenda, and not for the good of the country?
    When you have a mass of citizens who can recognize who Lindsey Lohan is but not Nancy Pelosi. When you have a media so willing to play the fear card that environmentalists live for without any scrutiny over their claims, or an education system now heavily regulated by the federal government which at this particular time politically skews "science" and what is being taught as "fact" indoctrinating the children into the fold, there isn't much enlightening going on. The only hope is to get those in office spewing and promoting this crap voted out.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I am not sure that the oil company who wants the pipeline is the best source to cite in defense of the pipeline. I do however, as I have stated, feel that the pipeline should indeed be approved simply for the foreign policy aspect and control of the oil.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I am not sure that the oil company who wants the pipeline is the best source to cite in defense of the pipeline. I do however, as I have stated, feel that the pipeline should indeed be approved simply for the foreign policy aspect and control of the oil.
    Maybe it's not the best source but is what they are saying true?

    If it is false then they are exposing themselves to lies and ridicule, an opportunity for those who against most sources of power apart from wind and solar. Every word these companies make is scrutinized repeatedly by those who are against any sort of pipeline, and for any number of reasons.

    Knowing all of this I may be moderately skeptical but remain more skeptical of those who claim only four or 20 people will be employed full time from this project.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe it's not the best source but is what they are saying true?

    If it is false then they are exposing themselves to lies and ridicule, an opportunity for those who against most sources of power apart from wind and solar. Every word these companies make is scrutinized repeatedly by those who are against any sort of pipeline, and for any number of reasons.

    Knowing all of this I may be moderately skeptical but remain more skeptical of those who claim only four or 20 people will be employed full time from this project.
    I don't know whether or not what they're saying is true, but I do know that special interests have no qualms about publishing falsehoods and exposing themselves to "lies and ridicule."

    As for the numbers of people employed by oil pipelines, there are plenty of examples of oil pipelines already. The number people they employ should be a clue.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Once again Obama shows he is not about jobs and bends to his special interests. As well as stick it Right into the Republican's eyes since they were hoping to work out a deal with him. No time limit.....just hold off indefinitely. There is no reason for the Republicans to trust him on anything he states. Now Canada will proceed to sell to China. No pick up on the jobs and revenue. What say ye?



    The Obama administration is extending indefinitely the amount of time federal agencies have to review the Keystone XL pipeline, the State Department said Friday, likely punting the decision over the controversial oil pipeline until after the midterm elections.

    The State Department didn't say how much longer it will grant agencies to weigh in but cited a recent decision by a Nebraska judge that overturned a state law that allowed the pipeline's path through the state, prompting uncertainty and an ongoing legal battle. Nebraska's Supreme Court isn't expected to rule for another several months, and there could be more legal maneuvering after that. The delay potentially frees President Barack Obama to avoid making a final call on the pipeline until after the November election.

    "The agency consultation process is not starting over. The process is ongoing, and the department and relevant agencies are actively continuing their work in assessing the permit application," the State Department said in a statement.

    In January, the State Department said that building the pipeline would not significantly boost carbon emissions because the oil was likely to find its way to market no matter what. Transporting the oil by rail or truck would cause greater environmental problems than the pipeline, the report said.

    The State Department has jurisdiction because the pipeline would cross the border between the U.S. and Canada.....snip~

    US delays review of Keystone XL pipeline
    Associated Press By JOSH LEDERMAN and DINA CAPPIELLO 3 minutes ago


    Oh, it's been a political thing since Obama took office.

    That is transparent in Canadian reporting, where two years ago it was forecast that EVERY US agency would give a green light but would never be approved under Obama, and if so, as a lame duck.

    You see, the history on this puppy goes way back, to the first economical development of synthetic oil from the oil sands in northern Alberta. When refined, it is cleaner, longer lasting and the finest high temperature lubricating substance on the planet.

    Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This is an addition to two existing pipelines transporting the crude to refineries on the Gulf Coast and then to offshore markets, meaning Asia, amounting to huge profits for investors and about 300,000 jobs over the life of the pipeline. Objections of technology have been overcome, the XL is called "XL" because it is the state of the art technology.

    They have also re-routed over objectionable areas. It has been green lighted by the EPA, Interior, Labour, and for some reason Kerry and the State Department, presumably because this stuff is going to Japan, Korea, and China. State must also be aware that since Obama came into office, the Canadian end of the consortium, the one with the technology, has been planning an alternative, crossing the northern Rockies to Prince Rupert, where a Liquified Natural Gas Plant and ship loading facility are in the development stage. Chinese investors have let it be known they will build a secondary refinery there as well, which if it happens, will rob Americans of hundreds of thousands of jobs and the job creating profits to investors.

    As the hearings on one of the three pipeline proposals have closed, federal approval is likely with the current Conservative administrations, which means all the remains is the usual threats of native law suits which get bought out pretty quick any more.

    I'd say, if Obama doesn't green light it by 2015, it's deader than the stuff that died making the oil in the first place.
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