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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    timorg02 is correct in posting that the decision to build the pipeline has already been made. In fact, I saw this as a done deal a couple of years ago. Obama and all American presidents and governments work for various forms of capital, not people.

    Dittohead not! is also correct in pointing out that Obama is stuck between his environmental and labor constituencies, and so this politically problematic pro-pipeline decision that he has already made, when announced, will be a political disaster for the Dems.

    So Obama has successfully avoided having his political chickens coming home to roost in the mid-terms, but has guaranteed a disaster for the Dems in 2016.

    On the pipeline itself, the major concern is not the oil that it will inevitably leak, as pipelines do, but the gravely increased amount of CO2, etc., that will be released into our degraded atmosphere, and, most of all, the ironclad commitment to fossil fuels and the attendant destruction of humanity it represents.

    I hate racism with a passion, but Obama is astonishingly conservative as well as politically incompetent. I'm afraid that an accurate assessment of him will conclude that he has been one of the worst, most hapless presidents in American history. Mr. Natural

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The pipeline is being built, as we type, I can see a section of it still above ground outside my office.
    The existing refineries have more capacity to process than they are currently using.
    The additional Oil will require hundreds more direct jobs, and several thousand secondary jobs.
    Turning raw material into finished product, has always been good for the economy,
    In the case of oil, the market is there and growing, we just need more raw material.
    The really good news, is the same refineries that turn oil into fuel, can make fuel from scratch,
    when oil becomes too expensive.
    I hope your right. However, I have my doubts that the number of jobs you are predicting will arise.

    Pipe Dreams: How Many Jobs Will Be Created By Keystone XL? - Forbes

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I hope your right. However, I have my doubts that the number of jobs you are predicting will arise.

    Pipe Dreams: How Many Jobs Will Be Created By Keystone XL? - Forbes
    There has historically been a big multiplier for Refinery jobs.
    One Guy getting a Job making $70-90K, in an area with affordable housing.
    Buys a house, Buys cars, boats, raises his Family,
    all of theses activities spin off secondary jobs.
    Like the Ford Plant in Louisville, may not employ tens of thousands directly,
    but provides the community with many secondary jobs.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    There has historically been a big multiplier for Refinery jobs.
    One Guy getting a Job making $70-90K, in an area with affordable housing.
    Buys a house, Buys cars, boats, raises his Family,
    all of theses activities spin off secondary jobs.
    Like the Ford Plant in Louisville, may not employ tens of thousands directly,
    but provides the community with many secondary jobs.
    Oil is also used a great deal in manufacturing, plastics for example. A partial list of products made from petroleum

    Five reasons why Keystone XL benefits the U.S. | Keystone XL Pipeline

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    This is going to come back and hurt these Democrats with this mid term election too.


    Blue on Blue: Labor Unions Slam 'Gutless' WH on Keystone Delay.....



    Mary Landrieu and friends won't get their wish. The White House is again hunkering down and postponing a decision until early 2015, and possibly beyond -- leaving thousands of American workers in the lurch. During his obnoxious Obamacare press conference last week, the president said that Washington must stop debating the health law, and move on to more pressing matters like jobs and the economy (fronts on which Obamacare is inflicting damage, incidentally). He even called for additional "investments" in American infrastructure, which he said would "improve our economy for the long term." Literally the next day, he swatted down a hugely popular job-creating infrastructure project. As Dan wrote earlier, MSNBC's Morning Joe crew seemed perplexed by the move, which liberal host Mika Brzezinski called "hard to defend." The Wall Street Journal's editors agree, but they aren't puzzling over what happened. Follow the money:

    The Koch brothers may get the media attention, but the billionaire getting the most political bang for his buck is Tom Steyer. The hedge-fund politico has pledged to raise $100 million to help Democrats keep the Senate, and on Friday he received a major return on his investment when the State Department again delayed its decision on the Keystone XL pipeline ... The real reason for the delay is Democratic politics. Mr. Steyer and the party's liberal financiers are climate-change absolutists who have made killing Keystone a non-negotiable demand. But the White House doesn't want to reject the pipeline before November because several Senate Democrats running for re-election claim to favor it. We say "claim" because Louisiana's Mary Landrieu and others can't even get Majority Leader Harry Reid to give them a vote on the floor.

    The White House's actions, and Harry Reid's obedient obstruction of votes on the question, expose Landrieu, Pryor, Begich, Hagan et al as powerless within their own party. The party's liberals can count on the votes of these self-stylized "moderates" when they're really needed (see: Obamacare), but will blithely ignore the blue dogs when they decline to toe the Obama line. These Senators can brag about "standing up to the White House" on Keystone back home, but the proof is in the pudding. They're Obama rubber stamps when it counts, and wield precious little influence on important issues like Keystone -- to the point that they can't even persuade their own leadership to schedule votes. It also goes without saying that although they'll profess to be angry and disappointed about the recent delay, these incumbents will be more than happy to take campaign cash from the Steyers of the world. Democrats love their "out of state billionaires." In any case, the American people strongly support construction of the pipeline, as do prominent labor unions whose members want work. Several unions are pounding away at the White House, recognizing that they've been demoted on the totem pole of liberal special interests:

    A top labor union blasted the Obama administration on Friday over what it described as a nakedly political decision to once again delay a decision on the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. Terry O’Sullivan, general president of the Laborers International Union of America (LIUNA), called the move “gutless” and a “low blow to the working men and women of our country.” The State Department announced on Friday that it would push back its decision on the pipeline until after the midterm elections in November.

    The actions by the Obama Administration to further extend the review process for the Keystone XL pipeline is a cold, hard slap in the face for hard working Americans who are literally waiting for President Obama's approval and the tens of thousands of jobs it will generate. Despite this administration’s own findings that the Keystone project will result in significant economic benefits to our country, President Obama has placed politics over substantive policy that only serves to advance the agenda of well funded radical environmentalists....It's ironic that at the same time billionaire conservatives are coming under increasing scrutiny and criticism by the left for their involvement in politics, there is nary a word about the political spending by liberal billionaires that negatively impact the job prospects and livelihoods of working class Americans.” .....snip~

    Blue on Blue: Labor Unions Slam 'Gutless' WH on Keystone Delay - Guy Benson

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Natural View Post
    timorg02 is correct in posting that the decision to build the pipeline has already been made. In fact, I saw this as a done deal a couple of years ago. Obama and all American presidents and governments work for various forms of capital, not people.

    Dittohead not! is also correct in pointing out that Obama is stuck between his environmental and labor constituencies, and so this politically problematic pro-pipeline decision that he has already made, when announced, will be a political disaster for the Dems.

    So Obama has successfully avoided having his political chickens coming home to roost in the mid-terms, but has guaranteed a disaster for the Dems in 2016.

    On the pipeline itself, the major concern is not the oil that it will inevitably leak, as pipelines do, but the gravely increased amount of CO2, etc., that will be released into our degraded atmosphere, and, most of all, the ironclad commitment to fossil fuels and the attendant destruction of humanity it represents.

    I hate racism with a passion, but Obama is astonishingly conservative as well as politically incompetent. I'm afraid that an accurate assessment of him will conclude that he has been one of the worst, most hapless presidents in American history. Mr. Natural
    Hmmm. Pipelines are the safest and least spill/leak prone means of transporting oil. And neither this pipeline nor any other will increase the amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere; that's a function of use. And a commitment to fossil fuels would be a boon to mankind, powering the interim until fusion comes on line one day.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hmmm. Pipelines are the safest and least spill/leak prone means of transporting oil.
    Assuming they are properly maintained. And they aren't in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Assuming they are properly maintained. And they aren't in this country.
    Pipelines in the US are far from the worst, and worldwide pipelines are the cleanest means of transport. The leak danger claim is a red herring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Lets be clear. Every day of delay of the pipeline is more profit for Warren Buffets rail system. There is a reason for his decision and as usual its "special."
    Amen Brotha! The same Warren Buffet that believed the rich should pay more in taxes because of his hold on the insurance industry that makes billions off of wealthy people having to buy insurance to offset death taxes? What a sweetheart. It was special treatment for his brothas in the unions when it came to Obamacare. It was special treatment to the unions over shareholders with that fiasco at GM forcing them to retool to make these piss ant cars that no one wants at the cost of the taxpayers. It is the environmentalists pushing all the green energy "stuff" while their homeboys at the EPA are regulating the hell out of fossil fuels.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Amen Brotha! The same Warren Buffet that believed the rich should pay more in taxes because of his hold on the insurance industry that makes billions off of wealthy people having to buy insurance to offset death taxes? What a sweetheart. It was special treatment for his brothas in the unions when it came to Obamacare. It was special treatment to the unions over shareholders with that fiasco at GM forcing them to retool to make these piss ant cars that no one wants at the cost of the taxpayers. It is the environmentalists pushing all the green energy "stuff" while their homeboys at the EPA are regulating the hell out of fossil fuels.
    Don't cha just luv it!? :

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