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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah, well I don't just go by the Polls and the Pundits either Pero. One must make use of all pieces of the Puzzle. That also includes the money.....as well as the reality on the ground. Which hasn't changed much. These Demos are taking the Hit. Make no mistake about that.

    Also these Unions don't have to show up for Repubs. Nor do they have to show up for the Demos. One can see what happened to Romney is going to flip back on to those who brought that tactic. What goes around comes around.
    Yep, money does have a lot to do with it. But that is just one factor. Who shows up to vote is another factor. Also when looking at polls the margin of error needs to be taken into a count. Then there is how old the poll is. The NYT/Kaiser just released a poll on Arkansas, Kentucky, North Carolina and Louisiana. That poll showed Pryor 10 points ahead of Cotton, Hagan ahead of both Tillis and Brannon by 2 points, Landrieu ahead of Cassidy by 24 points, McConnell was ahead of Grimes by 1. I did some head scratching and then looked inside the polls to find out whom they polled, in all four states they polled more Democrats than Republicans by an average of 6 points more. That is strange because each of those states have more Republicans than Democrats with the exception of North Carolina which is pretty even. That poll also polled far more Obama voters than Romney voters and yet Romney won all 4 states.

    So it is into the trashcan with this poll. When I call my states for the senate which I do monthly, I call with all the information I have and how I think the election would turn out today, not in November. But like you said, there really hasn't been all that much of a change. I do expect quite a lot of changes after the primaries which are now just getting started. This is why I think at this point in time, the five national indicators I keep track of is also important. I realize they will vary by state and in some states might be way off. But there is a lot of other factors and we must not forget turnout.

    If the election were held today, the Republicans would pick up 3-4 seats in the senate. Perhaps 4-5 in the House. But the Republicans have a chance of gaining as many as 8 seats in the senate, but with what I see today, that ain't about to happen. But who knows what events will take place between now and election day or whom the Republicans will nominate to face these Democratic Incumbents? Will they nominate more Aikens, Mourdocks, Angles, O'Donnells or will they nominate good candidates?

    I think come July we will have a better idea as to the chances of the GOP gaining the senate. This far out it is a crap shoot.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How about putting pressure on foreign governments to allow more freedom and less corruption in order that people won't have to uproot themselves from their homelands in order to properly feed their families. It seems to me that the US gets a lot of blame for not letting people in when the real responsibility lies at the source of the problem.
    We have a government of the United States. I'm dealing with United States policy. We have little to no say in how Mexico chooses to run their country sooooo... in short, we are not the world dictator.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    No, you're right. But it is the perception and the political ads that will be run that counts. Reality means little to nothing to most folks when it comes to politics. Keep in mind most voters and especially independents do not keep track of the day to day goings on in Washington. Most won't start to pay attention until almost election time. But you can bet the ads will be all over the airwaves, Pryor and/or Landrieu couldn't deliver the pipeline because their party and president said no. Vote for me, my party is for the pipeline, not against.

    Reality has little to do with it. It is a question of whether Cotton and Cassidy can convince the voters that these two are of the wrong party to have in Washington if you want the Keystone to become a reality. You would be surprised at how many independents with everything being fairly equal are persuaded by a slogan or something cute like that.


    You know what? You may continue your self deceptions. No where have you offered ONE iota of evidence this is even possible in political science terms and now suggest "spin" by attack ads will win the day.

    As is usually the case with the partisan, forgotten of course is the fact opponents get to attack as well. And as a party with 40 different versions of "If you can keep your plan..." as a seasoned political observer and speech writer, I would rather eat crushed glass than try to hang the delay in the XL on Republicans.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You know what? You may continue your self deceptions. No where have you offered ONE iota of evidence this is even possible in political science terms and now suggest "spin" by attack ads will win the day.

    As is usually the case with the partisan, forgotten of course is the fact opponents get to attack as well. And as a party with 40 different versions of "If you can keep your plan..." as a seasoned political observer and speech writer, I would rather eat crushed glass than try to hang the delay in the XL on Republicans.
    Where in the world did you ever get the idea I hung the delay on the Republicans? I hung it to use your phrase directly on Obama and stated the delay would hurt Landrieu and Pryor and the campaign ads would be run against them if the Republicans are smart point this out. Pointing out have a Democratic Senator representing those who wanted the pipeline didn't help one bit and electing a Republican, a party much in favor of the pipeline would suit the voters of Arkansas and Louisiana better in accomplishing getting the pipeline approved.

    One of must be confused as all get out. No where in hades did I even mention hanging the delay on the Republicans. Hmm. Oh well.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Just creeks and small wells huh?

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    It's called the Ogallala Aquifer. It irrigates almost all of the center of our country. You know. Farming land.
    I don't think you have a solid appreciation for how large some of these aquifers are and how much pollutant would be required to have an appreciable impact. We have pipelines that crosscross aquifers all over this country and there is a reason we haven't lost them. You also massively dodged the other part of my post.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    We have a government of the United States. I'm dealing with United States policy. We have little to no say in how Mexico chooses to run their country sooooo... in short, we are not the world dictator.
    The Mexicans are never shy about criticizing American policies, nor is any other country in the world. Why can't the American government and it's people be critical of what's going on in Mexico, and much of Central America as well? It is not 'dictatorial' to be honestly critical, and it actually might do the people some good.

    Anyone at all familiar with Mexico and much of Latin American knows the problems these people face. Excellent climate, perfectly situated, and yet economically depressed for centuries. Shouldn't questions be raised as to why this is so?

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Mexicans are never shy about criticizing American policies, nor is any other country in the world. Why can't the American government and it's people be critical of what's going on in Mexico, and much of Central America as well? It is not 'dictatorial' to be honestly critical, and it actually might do the people some good.

    Anyone at all familiar with Mexico and much of Latin American knows the problems these people face. Excellent climate, perfectly situated, and yet economically depressed for centuries. Shouldn't questions be raised as to why this is so?

    Obviously, they should be, but not so we can go in and fix things. Such questions need to be raised so that we can avoid the same pitfalls into which they have fallen.
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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Obviously, they should be, but not so we can go in and fix things. Such questions need to be raised so that we can avoid the same pitfalls into which they have fallen.
    No, of course I'm not talking of invasion or fixing things from afar. All I'm saying is that western democracies, many of whom know what's going on, should be more critical of Latin American governments. Wealthy families from many decades ago still run the show, keeping the people in poverty while their own children receive private educations so that the chain of power and influence continues.

    I've spent much of the last 20 years in Costa Rica and those from the democracies who arrive there never put up with what the locals did. It was actually part of the culture, and the lack of a free press, which resulted in never complaining about those in power. Now, since the arrival of foreigners, the result is far greater freedom and more opportunities for the Costa Rican people.

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    Re: US delays Review of Keystone XL Pipeline.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I don't think you have a solid appreciation for how large some of these aquifers are and how much pollutant would be required to have an appreciable impact. We have pipelines that crosscross aquifers all over this country and there is a reason we haven't lost them. You also massively dodged the other part of my post.
    What's to dodge? You offered nothing but conjecture. Back up your claim with some proof. Show me this "new" route rather than just claiming it. Then prove how it does not conflict with the aquifer.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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