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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

So what? Grazing rights have a value. Logging rights have a value. If Bundy can demand grazing rights for free, why can't I demand logging rights for free? What if I only want ONE big tree a year, and he wants to graze 170 acres for free every year? NOW can I demand my one tree?

Bundy pays taxes every year. Doesn't that count for something?

Will that tree grow back in a few weeks, like the grass will?



And....? If the Feds charge no fees in some cases, that means that anything I want to do on Federal land I can do for free?!!?? "Yipee! Ma, go get the logging trucks!"

I can kill a deer, sans fee, on Federal land.

In case you haven't noticed, this is one of those common sense moments.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word "welfare". In this situation, the word doesn't apply.

If you owe the government $5000 in back taxes, you wouldn't say you're on welfare. You'd say you owe money.

Except he doesn't recognize that he owes anything. He's demanding valuable property from the Feds for free. Welfare sounds about right to me, but it's freeloading of some sort. If you have a better term, what is it? Deadbeat?

And if I was a citizen, living here and enjoying the vast array of Federal benefits, and claiming some wingnut exemption from taxes, I'm just a freeloader of another sort.
 
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Looks like Woodie Guthrie just had his ass handed to him by the new left. Poor guy just became a conservative without his post-life permission.

Who called Woodie Guthrie a Conservative? I missed it. I would LOVE to have some fun with that!! :lamo
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Except he doesn't recognize that he owes anything. He's demanding valuable property from the Feds for free. Welfare sounds about right to me, but it's freeloading of some sort. If you have a better term, what is it? Deadbeat?

And if I was a citizen, living here and enjoying the vast array of Federal benefits, and claiming some wingnut exemption from taxes, I'm just a freeloader of another sort.

Actually, he tried to pay the fees to Clark County, Nevada.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Except he doesn't recognize that he owes anything. He's demanding valuable property from the Feds for free. Welfare sounds about right to me, but it's freeloading of some sort. If you have a better term, what is it? Deadbeat?

And if I was a citizen, living here and enjoying the vast array of Federal benefits, and claiming some wingnut exemption from taxes, I'm just a freeloader of another sort.

I would call it trying to get something for nothing, which I supposed you could say is freeloading, yes. But Bundy also pays taxes.

People who live off federal benefits without working are just plain lazy. He works at least.
 
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Who called Woodie Guthrie a Conservative? I missed it. I would LOVE to have some fun with that!! :lamo

I just did without his permission, seeing that he's dead and all. "This land is federal land, it ain't never your land, from California..." Them's the new words the BLM and the left are using. Poor ole Woody. He never understood the left. He imagined they were actually good people.
 
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I just did without his permission, seeing that he's dead and all. "This land is federal land, it ain't never your land, from California..." Them's the new words the BLM and the left are using. Poor ole Woody. He never understood the left. He imagined they were actually good people.

You're not making a lick of sense.
 
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You're not making a lick of sense.

Of course you wouldn't think so! :lamo
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

It is amazing to see these posters here dreaming of firing missiles at fellow Americans for a perceived threat.

The "liberal" movement has come a looooong way since Kent State.

Doesn't it seem a little hypocritical that someone with their panties in a wad over someone else holding a gun would plead for a drone strike? Just goes to show you how stuck in paradigms the self proclaimed free thinkers are.
 
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None, but I have no idea what this proves. The Feds in this case decided to de-escalate a situation that could have very easily gotten out of hand and gotten people killed over grazing fees. And now you're citing the fact that the Feds didn't start rounding up guys with AR-15s as proof of what? That it's somehow legal to defy a court order with a militia?

Looks obvious to me. They weren't breaking any laws.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Oh my! That makes the civil rights marchers, draft dodgers and occutards guilty of insurrection, too!

Be that as it may, My point holds. You lose.


There, I made it more grammatically correct for you. There no, "a", in encyclopedic, speaking of encyclopedic ignorance.

There's either grammatically correct or not. There are no degrees of grammmatical correctness such as more or less. Encyclopaedic has an "a" in proper English. I'll concede that perhaps that's not always the case in the parochial dialects used by foreigners.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Who wants to bet that the government takes possession of his property and shortly thereafter some high ranking Democrat's political crony builds a wind farm on it?

You can bet your ass, it ain't about the money.

Yeah ... it's way too suspiciously over-the-top & there's too much association intersection to be simply about grazing fees.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Those who want tough action by the government might revisit and consider recent history. Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Waco siege ended on this day 21 years ago, leaving 79 dead

Apparently you haven't read the thread. The prevailing sentiment is that it's a damn good thing cooler heads prevailed precisely so we didn't have a Waco situation. However, the reason the feds showed up that armed in the first place is because Bundy himself had said he would call in the militias.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

As always, follow the money...and political sleaze.

The head of the BLM, Neil Kornze, at age 34, is the youngest agency head in the BLM's history. He got that job because he was Senator Harry Reid's senior policy adviser from 2003 - 2011. In 2012, he proposed to create a national conservation area at Gold Butte, Nevada. His bill would create a 350,000 acre Gold Butte National Conservation Area to be managed by the BLM. The Bundy Ranch is the last one left in this vast landscape.

Enter the desert tortoise. Clark County, in which this entire drama unfolded, has been busy buying up federal cattle grazing leases in Gold Butte (Bundy Ranch) for the purported purpose of creating a safe habitat for this "endangered species". Meanwhile, Neil Kornze, head of the BLM, has proven highly reticent to explain why his agency has been killing these tortoises off in their hundreds, every year, for many years.

Enter Wang Yusuo, one of China's richest men, who met with Harry Reid in 2012 for the purpose of acquiring a lease on a vast tract of Nevada land to establish the MOAPA Southern Paiute Solar Project.

Enter Rory Reid, Josh Reid, Lief Reid, Key Reid, and Steve Barringer, all of them related to Senator Harry Reid, and all of them lobbyists for the project whose firms stand to make tens of millions of dollars when the solar farm goes through. And of course Senator Harry Reid is doing all this out of the goodness of his heart, right? How many millions he's making will probably not be disclosed till he retires from his senate seat.

But first, a Nevada rancher named Bundy, one of the last of his breed, must be stomped under the jackboot of federal government rot. And the world scratches its head wondering why 200 automatic weapon-toting Americans showed up at Bundy’s ranch ready to die for what they believe in.

Sources: AP-Bloomberg, LA Times, Las Vegas Review Journal
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

He's not wrong. A bunch of armed vigilantes obstructing justice.

Really?

How many times has the U.S. government went to collect ANY bill owed to them using 200 armed federal officers to take and slaughter citizen's livestock?

The government should have to pay full market value for each and every one of those cattle they slaughtered.

The government is pissed because there is a tax that is owed for allowing your own cattle to graze on your ranch or something asinine like that and the ranchers are pissed because the government actually has a tax like this and really expects people to pay it for some oddly hilarious reason.

And throughout the court battles, the government courts have sided with the government tax office that the government has the right to make you pay this tax imposed upon us by government.

Now what is in question is the amount the government expects to be paid for this tax...it says $1M and the Ranchers say awww hell no, you're smoking crack. We come up with 1/5 of that...and you suck.


Well government didnt like that, so it sent 200 armed federal agents to go and steal and kill their cattle....as a warning?

When people heard of this atrocity they came to help aid a fellow citizen from what we have all seen as government abuses (if you dont call slaughtering cattle for nothing but a scare tactic abuse...you have issues)...Harry Reid calls these citizens "domestic terrorists"?

WTF are you God damn completely Left wing looney straight off the funny farm kind of special?
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

The government is pissed because there is a tax that is owed for allowing your own cattle to graze on your ranch or something asinine like that and the ranchers are pissed because the government actually has a tax like this and really expects people to pay it for some oddly hilarious reason.

That is not even remotely close to what actually happened in this case. Like, you're abysmally wrong here. This has NOTHING to do with cattle grazing on Bundy's ranch. This has to do with him grazing his cattle ON FEDERAL LAND AND REFUSING TO PAY TO DO IT.

EDIT: I read and re-read your entire post, and you clearly have no idea of the actual facts of this particular case.
 
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Sources: AP-Bloomberg, LA Times, Las Vegas Review Journal

Links to any of those would be nice.

What I could see was Clarke County was selling county land at a discount price as an incentive for a multi-$billion solar project by Wang Yusuo, which is common as dirt nowadays, and certainly no more objectionable than giving the Keystone players condemnation powers to make way for their pipeline from Canada, to Texas, to refine Canadian oil, for export to China. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the Federal land on which Bundy has demanded free grazing rights for his cattle.

There could be some link, but I don't see it. For example, according to some news reports, Bundy's ranch is 80 miles EAST of Las Vegas, but the solar development would be along the Nevada/CA border on the very southern tip of Nevada, or almost due south of Las Vegas.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

Links to any of those would be nice.

What I could see was Clarke County was selling county land at a discount price as an incentive for a multi-$billion solar project by Wang Yusuo, which is common as dirt nowadays, and certainly no more objectionable than giving the Keystone players condemnation powers to make way for their pipeline from Canada, to Texas, to refine Canadian oil, for export to China. I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the Federal land on which Bundy has demanded free grazing rights for his cattle.

There could be some link, but I don't see it. For example, according to some news reports, Bundy's ranch is 80 miles EAST of Las Vegas, but the solar development would be along the Nevada/CA border on the very southern tip of Nevada, or almost due south of Las Vegas.

Your information is incorrect. In March of this year, Senator Harry Reid himself attended the solar project ground-breaking ceremony, turning a symbolic shovel of dirt, less than 35 miles from Bundy's ranch.
 
Re: Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’

That is not even remotely close to what actually happened in this case. Like, you're abysmally wrong here. This has NOTHING to do with cattle grazing on Bundy's ranch. This has to do with him grazing his cattle ON FEDERAL LAND AND REFUSING TO PAY TO DO IT.

This has nothing to do with cows and federal land. Those were simply the sparks that got the embers glowing. Al Jazeera, ever critical of America, did a great news documentary on the paramilitary evolution infecting, seemingly, every damn federal agency that exists. We're turning into a police state. It all grew out of "the war on drugs". That's when the U.S. Forest Service, the BLM, the DEA, and all the rest decided they needed to be black ops, and they needed arsenals bigger than a lot of countries on this planet, and they needed secret helicopter fleets, and machine guns, and drones, and, and...all kinds of cool stuff! And what the hell were they going to do with all that cool stuff? Go to war against you and me? Apparently so. It just happened in Nevada.

Al Jazeera interviewed a Nevada state senator who was on site. They kept baiting her but she was sharp as a tack and knew exactly how to handle hostile media. The point she kept hammering home was the fact that the BLM, in all their fat ass glory, decided to show up with police dogs, flak jackets, and automatic weapons, to do what? To collect a disputed monetary debt! Since when does our federal government send out terror squads to collect a debt? That's what civil authorities and our courts are for. Those BLM Walter Mittys are lucky they got out of there alive. Al Jazeera interviewed two of the Idaho militiamen who stationed themselves as snipers on the bridge overlooking the unfolding drama. One was asked if he feared the consequences of an armed conflict with the US government. "No", he said. "We all came here prepared to die for our beliefs". He meant it. It sent a cold chill through me.

Ever in the forefront, at least lately, Colorado just passed a law yesterday that drastically limits bureaucratic capabilities for collecting outstanding debts. There are people here in Colorado who are incarcerated in state prisons because they couldn't come up with $1000 for a speeding ticket! Pueblo's newspaper cited one state prison where 7 people were incarcerated for no other reason than a monetary debt to some bureaucracy or other. So far, they've cost the taxpayer $178,000 and they owe a total of $20,000. To their credit, the Colorado Sheriff’s Association was almost 100% behind the bill. One state senator likened the situation to a Charles Dickens debtor's prison. "We eliminated debtor's prisons in this country almost 200 years ago...or at least we thought we did. This new bill will finish the job." Let's hope the rest of the country follows our example. Maybe laws like this will prevent some bureaucrat Rambo wannabe from sparking another Waco.
 
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There no, "a", in encyclopedic, speaking of encyclopedic ignorance.

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You need to get a passport and go explore the world...(there are other spellings of words that are perfectly valid)

Ignorance, indeed.
 
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You need to get a passport and go explore the world...(there are other spellings of words that are perfectly valid)

Ignorance, indeed.

It's so archaic though, and it's one of those words in the English language that throws even the best spellers for a loop. I recently had occasion to use the word "archaeology" several times and misspelled it every time. Let's get rid of that unnecessary "a". Those little buggers are the land mines of the grammatical war zone.
 
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It's so archaic though, and it's one of those words in the English language that throws even the best spellers for a loop. I recently had occasion to use the word "archaeology" several times and misspelled it every time. Let's get rid of that unnecessary "a". Those little buggers are the land mines of the grammatical war zone.

I like the extra "a" in the British spelling of "faeces."
 
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