Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

AJiveMan · Apr 20, 2014

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Grant said:
You think those situations never happen to Spanish, White or Oriental people?

It seems that too many groups of people feel they are being hard done by these days, that the world is somehow plotting against them. If you feel incidents like this justify any prejudices you might have, or insecurities, it's time to take a broader view of life, and what all people have to go through.

Well, when white people become afraid of black people on an elevator.....especially black men, oh they feel so small and squeamish and intimidated, poor little things.

But, I wasn't the person who posted the photo of those scary looking black folks and alluded to them carrying firearms or alluded that those were domestic terrorists, maybe in hindsight, the member that did regrets posting the nonsense.

We're supposed to be discussing militia groups of people confronting federal officers trying to do their job.

calamity · Apr 20, 2014

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fmw said:
There is no question that Bundy is wrong. The law is clear and he didn't follow the law. But he isn't a domestic terrorist. He is a deadbeat that owes money to the government. Major Nidal was a domestic terrorist. He screamed Allah Akbar as he mowed down innocent people. Why didn't we call a real domestic terrorist by its correct description instead of deadbeat who owes money to the government?

I believe Reid was referring to the people threatening law enforcement with loaded weapons as the terrorists, not Bundy for illegal grazing.

a351 · Apr 20, 2014

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Lachean said:
Ahhh, the Nuremberg defense! How cute.

Or just a factual one :shrug: The Nuremberg defense attempted to justify heinous and illegal acts , whereas these agents were entirely within both legal and moral boundaries. No need at all to resort to laughable extremes.

a351 · Apr 20, 2014

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mac said:
Legally, it does matter. Look into why public lands exist and what they are.

Asking others to do your homework for you? In any event, no credible definition of public lands allows any Joe Six-Pack to use the land for whatever purpose he sees fit and without financial compensation.

Manc Skipper · Apr 20, 2014

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a351 said:
Or just a factual one :shrug: The Nuremberg defense attempted to justify heinous and illegal acts , whereas these agents were entirely within both legal and moral boundaries. No need at all to resort to laughable extremes.

Laughable extremes would be armed militia wannabe freedom fighters intimidating law officers going about their legal duty, except for the potential for murderous consequences.

Grant · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
I believe Reid was referring to the people threatening law enforcement with loaded weapons as the terrorists, not Bundy for illegal grazing.

Didn't the Bureau of Land Management first arrive with loaded weapons and SWAT teams to round of cattle and save the tortoise? What s the Bureau of Land Management doing in such a position anyway? Was this situation ever contemplated when the Federal Government first came up with this idea?

calamity · Apr 20, 2014

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Grant said:
Didn't the Bureau of Land Management first arrive with loaded weapons and SWAT teams to round of cattle and save the tortoise? What s the Bureau of Land Management doing in such a position anyway? Was this situation ever contemplated when the Federal Government first came up with this idea?

Bundy owes a million dollars in back fees and fines. Lets not bring strawmen like tortoises into this. Fact is Bundy grazed without paying, plus he grazed more cattle than the rules allow. Hence the back fees and fines.

mac · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
Pointing the weapon at federal agents trying to do their job, which is collecting fees and fines from a deadbeat who is grazing his cattle on public land and not paying for the privilege, sure as hell is.

Do you think cops have a right to shoot drug dealers who are pointing a gun at them?

They weren't collecting fees and fines and there is no proof anyone was aiming at the agents.

mac · Apr 20, 2014

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a351 said:
Asking others to do your homework for you? In any event, no credible definition of public lands allows any Joe Six-Pack to use the land for whatever purpose he sees fit and without financial compensation.

I didn't say for whatever purpose, but anyways, there is a reason public lands exist the none of the " federalists" In this thread seem to understand.

mac · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
Do you believe all criminals should be able to point loaded guns at law enforcement. or do you only feel that way if they are your kind of criminals?

If they are using excessive force, sure I do. You have just as much right to defend yourself from them as you do anyone else.

calamity · Apr 20, 2014

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mac said:
If they are using excessive force, sure I do. You have just as much right to defend yourself from them as you do anyone else.

Did you see anyone on the LEO side of things use excessive force?

BTW, how'd you feel about the cops use of force against Rodney King?

Kobie · Apr 20, 2014

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fmw said:
There is no question that Bundy is wrong. The law is clear and he didn't follow the law. But he isn't a domestic terrorist. He is a deadbeat that owes money to the government. Major Nidal was a domestic terrorist. He screamed Allah Akbar as he mowed down innocent people. Why didn't we call a real domestic terrorist by its correct description instead of deadbeat who owes money to the government?

Nobody called Bundy himself a "terrorist." Just the thugs who came to try and start a war.

calamity · Apr 20, 2014

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mac said:
They weren't collecting fees and fines and there is no proof anyone was aiming at the agents.

They confiscated the cattle just like they would put a lien on property, which is their next step. I am sure.

Fenton · Apr 20, 2014

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Manc Skipper said:
He's not wrong. A bunch of armed vigilantes obstructing justice.

He's far more of a Domestic terrorist than these people who are exercising their Constitutional rights.

His incompetence, dishonestly and obstructionism have hurt far more Americans than Bundy and his supporters have

Fenton · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
They confiscated the cattle just like they would put a lien on property, which is their next step. I am sure.

Which is what they should've done in the first place, instead of posting snipers on the hills surounding his ranch.

Then again, the Feds may have done this on purpose so they could use it to broad brush the Right Wing as a bunch of crazy gun fanatics who insist on a armed confrontation

calamity · Apr 20, 2014

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Fenton said:
Which is what they should've done in the first place, instead of posting snipers on the hills surounding his ranch.

Then again, the Feds may have done this on purpose so they could use it to broad brush the Right Wing as a bunch of crazy gun fanatics who insist on a armed confrontation

It worked. Didn't it?

mac · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
They confiscated the cattle just like they would put a lien on property, which is their next step. I am sure.

No, actually they made a huge display of oppressive mismanagement and bad ideas, and in the end, accomplished nothing positive.

mac · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
Did you see anyone on the LEO side of things use excessive force?

Yes.

BTW, how'd you feel about the cops use of force against Rodney King?

Excessive. :shrug: and look at the response that followed.

calamity · Apr 20, 2014

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mac said:
Yes.

Excessive. :shrug: and look at the response that followed.

Well, there ya go. Maybe LEO is learning how to better deal with thugs.

calamity · Apr 20, 2014

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mac said:
No, actually they made a huge display of oppressive mismanagement and bad ideas, and in the end, accomplished nothing positive.

I'm sure they snapped a lot of pictures and let the software match those faces to names and social security numbers.

fmw · Apr 20, 2014

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Kobie said:
Nobody called Bundy himself a "terrorist." Just the thugs who came to try and start a war.

OK, I'll accept that as soon as the government refers to Nidal as a terrorist and what he did as a terrorist act.

mac · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
Well, there ya go. Maybe LEO is learning how to better deal with thugs.

Recent event say otherwise.

mac · Apr 20, 2014

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calamity said:
I'm sure they snapped a lot of pictures and let the software match those faces to names and social security numbers.

They didn't need this stupid stunt for that.

Linc · Apr 20, 2014

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When the cattle are taken to market, Bundy will lose his money.
Zero Cattlemen Associations support this scofflaw.
Sen. Heller calls him a Patriot so he won't get TEA-partied.
DC should be interesting after Easter recess .

calamity said:
They confiscated the cattle just like they would put a lien on property, which is their next step. I am sure.

Linc · Apr 20, 2014

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The stupid stunts were the sniper on the interstate overpass and FOX tape threatening to use women and children as shields.
That is what international terrorists do.
Reid wants this battle for the 2014 elections .

mac said:
They didn't need this stupid stunt for that.

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