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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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Buck Ewer said:
Sorry the SWAT truck was from the Las Vegas police department.
Not a Federal agency.
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This is what you said.
BLM agents with tazers to protect themselves are hardly a "swat team" by anyone's definitions...
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The feds commandeered those SWAT teams and there were federal troops there! Is it your understanding that all those troops and SWAT teams were independent of the BLM?
 
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Grant said:
This is what you said.


The feds commandeered those SWAT teams and there were federal troops there! Is it your understanding that all those troops and SWAT teams were independent of the BLM?
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They were there to counter the heavily armed militia brought in by Bundys people from all over the country . The only confrontation was between BLM agents with tazers wearing cloth uniforms and Bundy supporters keeping them from doing their job of confiscating illegally grazing cattle.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
They were there to counter the heavily armed militia brought in by Bundys people from all over the country . The only confrontation was between BLM agents with tazers wearing cloth uniforms and Bundy supporters keeping them from doing their job of confiscating illegally grazing cattle.
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So "the heavily armed militia brought in by Bundys people from all over the country" got there and then the SWAT Teams arrived? Is that your understanding?

How can a cow illegally graze?
 
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Grant said:
So "the heavily armed militia brought in by Bundys people from all over the country" got there and then the SWAT Teams arrived? Is that your understanding?

How can a cow illegally graze?
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Now you're just being obtuse for the sake of it.
 
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Kobie said:
Now you're just being obtuse for the sake of it.
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Pretty much the only way he's ever able to participate in any conversation on this site.
 
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So you're saying MLK Jr and his adult marchers were armed to the teeth and used children as shields.
That MLK was a coward like the militia squatters.
Poor try at changing the subject and very poor try with the facts .
Ockham said:
Martin Luther King did very much the same thing in Birmingham with the "Childrens Crusade" with kids as young as 8 years old. You should read up on it if your giving lessons.
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Grant said:
So "the heavily armed militia brought in by Bundys people from all over the country" got there and then the SWAT Teams arrived? Is that your understanding?

How can a cow illegally graze?
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This planned confrontation by Bundy's people was no secret.
Anti-terrorist intelligence knew of the call to arms and the militia gathering there and responded with an appropriate show of force. That is their job.
Cows will graze where ever they are put . Cattle can be illegally grazing when their owner puts them on land that he doesn't own and hasn't paid to use... Not unlike the way a car can be illegally parked in a public parking lot and the meter or lot attendant isn't paid.
It saddens me to think that I need to explain this.
 
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Grant said:
This is what you said.
The feds commandeered those SWAT teams and there were federal troops there!
Is it your understanding that all those troops and SWAT teams were independent of the BLM?
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Are you good with militant right-wing websites looking for more Bundys?
If you try Vanguard News Network, you'll be sick to your stomach Grant.
You're a good person who needs to draw the line at lawbreakers no Cattlemen are defending .
 
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Let us know the next time left-wing militia militants use their women and children just before a firefight .
Ockham said:
I'm comparing the tactics, at least attempt to comprehend if you're going to go through the motions.
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You missed the two warnings when you posted this Obama Derangement Syndrome and what a "subliminally black" deadbeat is.
In your words I quote, gets SS--which he paid into, gets workmans comp while collecting unemployment--which he qualifies for,
gets a stipend for having 5 kids--at least they're not aborted right rightie, and still drive a BMW and Mercedes .
Ockham said:
You aren't much of a deadbeat caring for 300+ head of cattle. A deadbeat is someone who lives in HUD homes, gets SS and workmans comp while collecting unemployment, gets a stipend for having 5 kids and yet still drives a BMW and Mercedes. Thanks Obama!
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The hatred and threats of civil war in this Nation only come from Conservatives, Libertarians and Militant right-wingers .
 
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Goshin said:
Bull****. The Feds are the ones who shoot (and burn) innocent women and children. See Ruby Ridge and Waco.
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Bull**** yourself.
Militant right-wingers are the only ones I hear talking of civil war on this board.
Just as with McVeigh, Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Breaking the law for 20 years and further breaking the law in open revolt against the Federal govt.
I wonder how the terrorist GWB handled the Bundy situation for 8 years.
Your beloved 2A took a huge hit with these burned-out cowards hiding behind their children/women.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
i posted the paramount allegiance clause of the nevada constitution.
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The Nevada Constitution includes an “Ordinance” section that adopts the requirements of the congressional Enabling Act. A second rewrite of the state constitution was approved by voters on Sept. 7, 1864. Nevada became the 36th state on Oct. 31, 1864. Nevada agreed to let the federal government own “unappropriated land” within the state, “unless otherwise provided by the Congress of the United States.”
 
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lizzie said:
That's what those who think as you do would have been saying about American revolutionaries too. If it hadn't been for people who had the guts to say no to those in power, we'd still be paying the royals, rather than eating up the tabloid crap about them.
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What a huge crap sandwich comparing American revolutionaries to these 2A cowards.

Nobody WANTS to start a war, but if you aren't willing to fight when you believe your rights are being trampled on, then you are not only a coward, but you just keep giving up more until there's nothing left to fight for.
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Yes militant right-wingers do want to start a civil war.
Try Vanguard News Network--I've never seen such right-wing vomit and filth--and that was just on the front page to Jews.
 
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ChezC3 said:
Reid calls Bundy supporters
This, a sitting Senator calls the American people exercising their right to protest.
He's really a filthy piece of crap...
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The REAL filthy piece of crap is the other Senator in Nevada Heller, calling Bundy and his cowardly militias hiding behind children/women "Patriots".
That occurred before Reid's comments.

I can only imagine what the Founding Fathers think of these 2A cowards.
 
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Goshin said:
Ok so he isn't poor... only poor people deserve compassion when the government sends in puppy-stomping jackboot thugs?
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No other Cattlemen are supporting this squatter.
I'm sure Bundy is the only rancher going back three generations in this Nation.

Picking on poor people in a sarcastic way and bringing up jack-booted thugs is beneath you .
 
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lizzie said:
That's what those who think as you do would have been saying about American revolutionaries too. If it hadn't been for people who had the guts to say no to those in power, we'd still be paying the royals, rather than eating up the tabloid crap about them.

Nobody WANTS to start a war, but if you aren't willing to fight when you believe your rights are being trampled on, then you are not only a coward, but you just keep giving up more until there's nothing left to fight for.
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Oh, stop it.
 
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Ockham said:
Irrelevant. They used children as young as 8 years old. If you think it's abhorrent with Bundy it would be the same with MLK... if not, you're a hypocrite. :shrug:
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Water cannons & fire hoses make people bleed like flying bullets? who knew?
 
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Ockham said:
OWS broke the law for months... I didn't go around calling them terrorists like liberals are with Bundy.
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How many OWS people were armed with firearms?
 
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bubbabgone said:
Given the definition of Domestic terrorism, you have it backwards.
The threat needs to be undertaken, initiated or planned by someone against someone before law enforcement is involved.
Like McVeigh or in Boston, for example.

There was no danger to human life on the Bundy Ranch ... just a grazing fee violation and someone with a motive of their own set a swarm of heavily armed BLM officers on Bundy.
Bundy wasn't intimidating or coercing anyone and there was no mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping ... expect of cattle by the Government.
But it was within the territorial jurisdiction of the US ... you get that one.
Again, it doesn't come close to domestic terrorism.
But I'll say this much ... Harry Reid appears to be looking to incite violence and by definition he satisfies one of the elements.
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Intimidation;

to make timid or fearful : frighten; especially : to compel or deter by or as if by threats

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Appear intended (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion
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It's plain to see you don't get it.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid slammed supporters of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, calling them “domestic terrorists.”
“These people, who hold themselves out to be patriots are not. They’re nothing more than domestic terrorists,” Reid said Thursday at an event hosted by the Las Vegas Review-Journal
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What Reid said was not directed at Bundy, he was talking about his gun toting supporters.

Again, you and others supporting Bundy in this thread don't get it.

When people show up to stage a peaceful protest, they shouldn't be showing up with firearms, which were meant to intimidate and coerce federal agents. Falls into the FBI definition of Domestic Terrorism.
 
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Bundy supporters hitching themselves to those who rebelled against King George :lol: Delusions of grandeur doesn't even begin to describe it.
 
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Simply put.....If you point a gun at someone, you are terrorizing them.

If you display a gun during a confrontation, you are attempting intimidation.

If you do so toward a federal agent, you are terrorizing domestically.

If you are stupid enough to fire.......you are justifiably dead.
 
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AJiveMan said:
How many OWS people were armed with firearms?
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Go through the lists of OWS crimes and take your pick. There's a gun murder in there. Homemade grenades? Molotov Cocktails? I see some knife fights and people siccing dogs on police. Just Like the Tea Party: A List of Occupy Mayhem Sorted by Type | Verum Serum. The Cleveland bridge bomb plotters were in Occupy. If you're into quantity over quality, here's a list of over 7,000 arrests.
 
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