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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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polgara said:
But why? He must feel he's in the right somehow on whether or not it is in fact Federal land. Was it really necessary to tase him and his wife because they owed some fees to someone? Maybe he didn't pay those fees because he didn't believe the government owned the land? Had he even paid them one time, wouldn't that have been an admission that he thought they had the right to collect fees from him? I wouldn't be surprised if this matter went to the Supreme Court for a ruling, since the law seems to be a bit hazy on this, judging from what I've read!
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I feel I have the right to rob your house.
 
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Kobie said:
That's nice.



They didn't tase him and his wife. His son was tased.



Doesn't justify it.



They do.



Not particularly hazy. I don't know what you've read.
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There's a lot of questions about this, because it was never definitively agreed upon - one hundred years ago - whether the Feds or the states owned the land within their borders, so it was just left hanging all this time. If nothing else, maybe a ruling on this can now be made by the Supreme Court to clarify who owns what, to keep something like this from ever happening again!
 
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polgara said:
There's a lot of questions about this, because it was never definitively agreed upon - one hundred years ago - whether the Feds or the states owned the land within their borders, so it was just left hanging all this time. If nothing else, maybe a ruling on this can now be made by the Supreme Court to clarify who owns what, to keep something like this from ever happening again!
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It was agreed on. Nobody in any position of authority over the manner disputes that this is federal land.

I dispute that your land is yours. I say it's mine. It is not definitively agreed upon who owns your land, is it?
 
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Kobie said:
The people who committed crimes were criminals, just like Mr. Bundy is a criminal. I haven't characterized anyone as a terrorist.
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So all those ows campers were criminals in your kind?
 
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mac said:
So all those ows campers were criminals in your kind?
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The camping, in and of itself, wasn't illegal.
 
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Kobie said:
The camping, in and of itself, wasn't illegal.
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Yes, in of itself, it was illegal.
 
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mac said:
Yes, in of itself, it was illegal.
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Okay. :roll:

Where were the trespassing charges?
 
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tres borrachos said:
So you think the woman ...was tossed into this by her husband against her will?
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Abso-fuggin-lutely.
The pregnant woman was put up front to face the officers with careful planning by the cowardly assholes who were itching for some kind of violent confrontation with the Federal agents.
The disappointment on the part of the spokespeople for Bundy and on Fux Snooze that this didn't pan out into another Ruby Ridge was palpable.
 
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mac said:
The American public owns the land.
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As represented and regulated by the federal government in a representative republic..
What are you some kind of ****ing communist?
 
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polgara said:
There's a lot of questions about this, because it was never definitively agreed upon - one hundred years ago - whether the Feds or the states owned the land within their borders, so it was just left hanging all this time. If nothing else, maybe a ruling on this can now be made by the Supreme Court to clarify who owns what, to keep something like this from ever happening again!
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Read the Nevada constitution.
Federal jurisdiction over Federal land is expressed in language that is quite clear.
 
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polgara said:
Armed Federal agents are deployed because someone is delinquent in paying some fees? c'mon. Kobie. You can't be serious!

As I understand it, there is some question as to whether the Feds even own the land in question. This will be interesting...

Greetings, Kobie. :2wave:
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You are wrong . Read the Nevada constitution.
 
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mac said:
Don't know much about geometry, huh? And oh, by the way, there is no scope on that rifle. Don't know much about rifles either, do you?
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The question was;; pointing or aiming? I know enough about guns to know when a sniper is aiming his weapon.
You lose.
 
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Neither side seems to care about principles anymore or what's in the best interest of everyone, it's all about demagoguery.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Show a picture of what that gun is aimed at. Your assumptions count for absolutely zero.
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Your claim that there weren't any militia aiming weapons has been shown to be false.
You continue to support and defend domestic terrorism.
Keep it up, your coy denials of what is obvious to everyone, are losing your argument for you.
Tell us he was innocently hunting jackrabbits that day by coincidence.
:lamo
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The question was;; pointing or aiming? I know enough about guns to know when a sniper is aiming his weapon.
You lose.
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Nope. The "sniper" was in an elevated position. His rifle should have been held at an angle (pointed downward) if he were taking aim on a target in the depression below. His weapon was held nearly horizontal, meaning the barrel was pointing well above the heads of those in the valley. Clearly you didn't look closely at the picture.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
As represented and regulated by the federal government in a representative republic..
What are you some kind of ****ing communist?
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Cute. But the "Feds" don't own it. The American public does....that's why it's called public lands.
 
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■Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
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Like aiming a rifle during a law enforcement proceeding.
■Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
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Threatening assassination of federal agents while carrying out their duties.
■Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
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Nevada.

Yup ... fits domestic terrorism by definition.
Thank you.
 
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mac said:
Cute. But the "Feds" don't own it. The American public does....that's why it's called public lands.
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Regulated public lands.
What makes you think that this land is an unregulated free for all?
You must be reading Marx.
 
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I've decided to stop paying my rent. Will militia's flock to my aid with weapons?
 
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mac said:
Nope. The "sniper" was in an elevated position. His rifle should have been held at an angle (pointed downward) if he were taking aim on a target in the depression below. His weapon was held nearly horizontal, meaning the barrel was pointing well above the heads of those in the valley. Clearly you didn't look closely at the picture.
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He was at the ready with the threat of gunfire...covering the proceedings as a threat to federal officers.
Everyone and anyone who is rational can see that.
PLEASE continue to defend his posture. It clearly puts you on the side of a terrorist.
Keep it up. You are losing your argument in leaps and bounds.
 
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grip said:
Neither side seems to care about principles anymore or what's in the best interest of everyone, it's all about demagoguery.
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The federal agents stuck by the principal that illegal cattle grazing was not worth the loss of life that day. The militiamen clearly had another agenda and principal at play.
 
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reinoe said:
I've decided to stop paying my rent. Will militia's flock to my aid with weapons?
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Sure, I will cover you from above on a bridge when the landlord sends the sheriff to deliver an eviction notice to you.
I will protect your freedom to mooch and freeload with weaponry.
/sarc
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The federal agents stuck by the principal that illegal cattle grazing was not worth the loss of life that day. The militiamen clearly had another agenda and principal at play.
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It might just be a coincidence but it seems that the people who supported the SWAT team that invaded the guy who supposedly made the anti Muslim video that caused Benghazi are the same people who support the SWAT teams going up against this Nevada rancher and his supporters. Now that they're labelled 'terrorists' by a very powerful Democrat politician that support will probably grow. They'll show them who's boss!
 
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