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Reid calls Bundy supporters ‘domestic terrorists’[W:254:298:850,989]

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Henrin said:
Don't you think it's a little interesting that people would show up armed ready to take on the government? People don't usually do that when the government is in the right.
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No, we've seen groups like child molesters with David Koresh do it before. We know which side YOU support especially since you have supported the legal right for people to be in possession of child porn in your past posts.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, we've seen groups like child molesters with David Koresh do it before. We know which side YOU support especially since you have supported the legal right for people to be in possession of child porn in your past posts.
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So if you're opposed to Government overkill, you must support the ones they killed? :roll:
 
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Lachean said:
So if you're opposed to Government overkill, you must support the ones they killed? :roll:
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Keep stretching son. You ain't got nothing.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Well ... since your link says there are 3 components required for domestic terrorism, it's up to you to give examples of all 3 in the Bundy case ... remember ... it has to be all 3 and the entirety of each one.




Go for it.
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No, it's actually up to you to read what's posted in the link, comprehend what you're reading, and then interpret what you have read. I can lead you to the link and show you what the law states, but I cannot make you do all three things noted here.

But I will say this, coercion and intimidation defined to me is a citizen producing a firearm or other weapon in a conflict or lawful order from a person or persons with proper authority, either state, local or federal.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Ok so if pissed off people get together, they should be able to do whatever they want to according to you. Law means nothing to you as law as you agree with the lawbreakers.
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Laws are made by men and enforced by men. If the law or the enforcement of it is in my opinion morally flawed then yes the law means nothing. Laws are tools, tools of the mind, nothing more. Tools can be used for good or ill. If they are misused I have no problem ignoring them. They are not sacrosanct to me.
 
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apdst said:
All these Libbos supporting government use of force to get its way. Im not a damn bit surprised.
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From your posts, I take it you're a Bundy supporter and anti government as well. You fall into the category of a Libbo IMHO because you're supporting a moocher, a deadbeat. And here, I thought conservatives were against that kind of thing.
 
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Captain America said:
I think "domestic terrorist," is a bit strong. Throwing the terrorist word around diminishes it's true meaning. But I suppose it's just a matter of perspective.

This person, who wrote this story linked below in that liberal rag called The Salon, just says the rancher is a communist or, at best, a socialist. The militia people are just disgruntled and disfranchised folks looking for a fight. I am hearing two versions of the story. Not sure which is accurate. But, even if the freeloading rancher turns out to be a bad reason for these militia people to get up in arms about, make no mistake. They WILL find a reason to get violent sooner than later. America has gone away from their ideology and they are plenty pissed off about it. It's just a matter of time before they will become, in fact, violent enemies of the state.

The latest right-wing media poster-victim, Cliven Bundy, is just the latest in a long line of desert dwellers who thinks he or she should not have to follow the law and has a god-given right to unlimited use of public resources, in this case, rangeland. I know the mentality well, because I grew up in rural Nevada and clung desperately to such beliefs until only a few years ago.

Bundy has not paid grazing fees in close to 20 years, while the federal government has, with painful, stupid moves, tried to somehow deal with him. Bundy also faced restrictions because he continued to graze cattle on a slice of public land reserved for the endangered desert tortoise. He was invited to talk to Sean Hannity (of course) about the “standoff.”

“We want freedom,” Bundy said. I don’t know what freedom Bundy’s talking about. He does not own the land nor does he even pay the modest fees required to use it. Thousands of ranchers across the West pay fees for their businesses, but Bundy thinks he should get to use public resources to make a personal profit. Cliven Bundy, far from being a patriot, is also clearly a straight-up communist. <snip>

Fox News’ demented poster boy: Why angry rancher Cliven Bundy is no patriot - Salon.com
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Basically, what Bundy and his militia friends have done is raised the level of awareness to other federal agencies. Let's not even kid ourselves about that fact. Some agency is probably watching this particular group in earnest right now, and may even be tracking or eavesdropping in on their conversations.

Bundy and his supporters have dug themselves into a deeper hole if nothing else. The next phase might be covering them up. Not that I'd like to see another Waco or Ruby Ridge, but when and if they make an arrest attempt, it might get hairy.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Basically, what Bundy and his militia friends have done is raised the level of awareness to other federal agencies. Let's not even kid ourselves about that fact. Some agency is probably watching this particular group in earnest right now, and may even be tracking or eavesdropping in on their conversations.
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You mean like they do to everyone in the country already?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Should we drop drones on them?
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If they shoot their guns at federal officials enforcing the law, then you bet I'd drone their asses.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, we've seen groups like child molesters with David Koresh do it before. We know which side YOU support especially since you have supported the legal right for people to be in possession of child porn in your past posts.
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Did you notice how my comment allowed for their to be expectations? Apparently you missed it and thought it would be wise of you to post an exception to the rule as if to make some sort of point I didn't already consider.
 
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Wiggen said:
If they shoot their guns at federal officials enforcing the law, then you bet I'd drone their asses.
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I like how veterans and those in the military prove everyday to be drones of the state themselves.
 
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Lachean said:
But he would have been armed if he could have, MLK, Mr. Non-Violence, applied for a concealed weapon permit. If he had a pocket pistol in his jacket during his protests, would that have constituted "armed resistance?"
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He didn't need a concealed weapons permit. He and his followers could have armed themselves with good old fashioned rifles, which as we know are readily obtainable, no questions asked, anywhere in the South. Yet they didn't do that. Comparing these loons to MLK is ridiculous.
 
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Henrin said:
I like how veterans and those in the military prove everyday to be drones of the state themselves.
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And I like how right wing loons only respect the laws they agree with. And if anybody tries to enforce a law they don't like, they are perfectly justified in killing them.
 
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Wiggen said:
And I like how right wing loons only respect the laws they agree with. And if anybody tries to enforce a law they don't like, they are perfectly justified in killing them.
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I would rather stand up for what I believe in and be willing die for it than be a drone of the state doing whatever they say I should do. How is that being a hired gun thing working for you? Real good? It must be great to murder people and get away with it.
 
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Henrin said:
You mean like they do to everyone in the country already?
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Well, let's see here. You show up at a protest, saying it's a peaceful protest except you're carrying a firearm. Hmmm, I think someone has a picture of that, oh, wait, it's law enforcement! It's their ammunition against you in a court of law, should you ever decide to become, less peaceful and use the firearm.

See what I mean? or, do you just want to generalize some more?

Hey, I'll lay wager to drones are flying over the Bundy ranch and the BLM property and taking video and photos!
 
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Henrin said:
I would stand up for what I believe in and be willing die for it than be a drone of the state doing whatever they say I should do.
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So you're an anarchist? Maybe you should change your 'lean'. When are you packing up and moving to Nevada to join the front lines?
 
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Wiggen said:
Reid is right. These are a bunch of right wing militia guys willing to shoot federal officials enforcing the law of the land. Sounds like terrorism to me. And as such, these terrorists should be dealt with the same way we deal with terrorists in Afghanistan and western Pakistan.
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No, Reid isn't.

He's abusing his authority because he got his hand caught in yet another cookie jar.

Hey, what is Reid, eh? Is he a Senator of the State of Nevada? There to represent the interests of the citizens of the state of Nevada? Or is he there to represent the interests of an over-reaching, abusive, heavy-handed government?
 
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AJiveMan said:
Well, let's see here. You show up at a protest, saying it's a peaceful protest except you're carrying a firearm. Hmmm, I think someone has a picture of that, oh, wait, it's law enforcement! It's their ammunition against you in a court of law, should you ever decide to become, less peaceful and use the firearm.

See what I mean? or, do you just want to generalize some more?
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I wonder who those people harmed in any sort of way? Oh right, they didn't act on anyone. It's kind of funny watching those with guns being scared of guns. lol.

Hey, I'll lay wager to drones are flying over the Bundy ranch and the BLM property and taking video and photos!
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I guess when a organization of force gets meet with force they get all scared and stuff and have to act even more aggressively. lol. No hypocrisy in that at all.
 
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Wiggen said:
So you're an anarchist? Maybe you should change your 'lean'. When are you packing up and moving to Nevada to join the front lines?
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Anarchy simply means without political leadership and the political violence they inflict on the people. The vast majority of our lives we live in anarchy and believe it or not we consider it a moral good. Most of those people that spend their time vilifying anarchy are sheep and idiots that don't understand the first thing about it. Not that I support the system myself at this time, but I find nothing disagreeable about the idea itself.
 
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Wiggen said:
So they can deal with assholes like these people? Just a suggestion.
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I see, the bureau of land management needs snipers. How about the iRS? Should they have snipers on the payroll? Maybe the dept of education? I mean, if we're talking about keeping unruly Americans in line, they'd need them right?

It's funny we have more armed forces in some god forsaken American dessert than we do at our diplomatic missions in some god forsaken foreign desert.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Laws are made by men and enforced by men. If the law or the enforcement of it is in my opinion morally flawed then yes the law means nothing. Laws are tools, tools of the mind, nothing more. Tools can be used for good or ill. If they are misused I have no problem ignoring them. They are not sacrosanct to me.
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Many Serial Killers think like that.
 
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Henrin said:
I would rather stand up for what I believe in and be willing die for it than be a drone of the state doing whatever they say I should do. How is that being a hired gun thing working for you? Real good? It must be great to murder people and get away with it.
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Says the person who thinks it should be legal to posses child pornography. Yeah, you're a REAL patriot. :roll:
 
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TheNextEra said:
Says the person who thinks it should be legal to posses child pornography. Yeah, you're a REAL patriot. :roll:
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I love for you to prove I ever said that.
 
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How dare any American citizen not respect the Federal Government.

The Feds are literally the only hope we have in this world; what alternative is there?

Empire is always good, and never bad, similarly with taxes.

How dare anyone not respect tax law.

Don't they realize their taxes are required to fund the empire? How would we enforce American rule in the world without our tax base?

So yes, this man is a domestic terrorist masquerading as a freedom fighter against the Federal Government.

IMO we should just bring back the Roman empire, and give glory back to where it belongs .... 'free people' are a nuisance who dare to evict themselves from funding the governmental system.
 
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AJiveMan said:
No, it's actually up to you to read what's posted in the link, comprehend what you're reading, and then interpret what you have read. I can lead you to the link and show you what the law states, but I cannot make you do all three things noted here.

But I will say this, coercion and intimidation defined to me is a citizen producing a firearm or other weapon in a conflict or lawful order from a person or persons with proper authority, either state, local or federal.
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I read the link and saw that the activity at the Bundy ranch didn't satisfy the entire set of requirements to be domestic terrorism you linked to.
And you don't see it either.

Besides ... since when are Democrats (Holder et al) all gung-ho for enforcing laws? What makes this one any different?
There was no threat of domestic terrorism on Bundy's Ranch by anybody's reading of the definition before the Government decided for whatever reason that they wanted the grazing land for some other purpose.
 
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